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#Post#: 328883--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in '18
By: Robb Date: October 24, 2017, 12:50 pm
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If anyone should be shaking in their boots it should be Mallee.
Nearly every Cub hitter took a step back this year.
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Re: Cubs in '18
By: CUBluejays Date: October 24, 2017, 12:51 pm
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If he is let go, my guess is that it will leak Bosio. Same
thing goes for Hickey getting hired.
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Re: Cubs in '18
By: Deeg Date: October 24, 2017, 1:25 pm
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I hope we're not descending into a culture of scapegoating the
coaches. They were good enough for us to win the WS last year
and get to the LCS this year. Obviously you can't fire the
players, and at this point Joe seems to be pretty much
untouchable.
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Re: Cubs in '18
By: JeffH Date: October 24, 2017, 1:47 pm
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On the other hand, let's not be afraid to make a change if there
is some "process-level" reason that warrants it.
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Re: Cubs in '18
By: craig Date: October 24, 2017, 1:54 pm
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That's a good point, deeg. I suspect Mallee is just fine and is
perfectly safe. But I'll be fine with whichever direction
management chooses to go, keep (expected) or change (shocker).
But hey, have I ever mentioned that there can be value in
change-for-change sake? The core have all heard Mallee's input.
Maybe a new voice would perk up some listening ears; or maybe a
new voice might have a fresh insight or two to add; or maybe a
new personality might persuade a core hitter or two to make a
beneficial adjustment of some kind?
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Re: Cubs in '18
By: JR Date: October 24, 2017, 2:24 pm
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We've certainly come a long way from, "Hey we lost the NLCS, but
it was a heck of a season!" to "Hey we lost the NLCS, it's time
for some heads to roll!"
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Re: Cubs in '18
By: Robb Date: October 24, 2017, 2:25 pm
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Change for change's sake can also remind the players (especially
young players) that this is a production based business. Perhaps
one can blame it on the short offseason, world series hangover,
WBC, Joe's approach to spring training or a belated sophmore
slump, but nearly every hitter not named Javy Baez reverted this
year. Certainly no other hitter came back having added some new
component to their games. That isn't the fault of the hitting
instructor. That is all on the hitters. Jayson Heyward attempted
it in a very high profile way, then turned right back into his
non-productive self. Schwarber didn't improve until his Iowa
trip and still was a shell of his pre-injury self. I can't name
anyone who improve year over year other than Javy and for a
stretch, Contreras. I don't know that that is all on Mallee,
but if you don't judge hitting coaches on such things what do
you judge them on?
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Re: Cubs in '18
By: Deeg Date: October 24, 2017, 2:48 pm
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[quote author=craig link=topic=496.msg328889#msg328889
date=1508871242]
That's a good point, deeg. I suspect Mallee is just fine and is
perfectly safe. But I'll be fine with whichever direction
management chooses to go, keep (expected) or change (shocker).
But hey, have I ever mentioned that there can be value in
change-for-change sake? The core have all heard Mallee's input.
Maybe a new voice would perk up some listening ears; or maybe a
new voice might have a fresh insight or two to add; or maybe a
new personality might persuade a core hitter or two to make a
beneficial adjustment of some kind?
[/quote]
Yes, sometimes change for its own sake can be helpful and even
necessary, even when it's grossly unfair. There may have been a
physical hangover from last season but I think there's
circumstantial evidence of a complacency/press clippings factor
too.
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Re: Cubs in '18
By: Bennett Date: October 24, 2017, 2:53 pm
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I don't think we can overlook that the motivation to end the 108
year drought is gone.
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Re: Cubs in '18
By: Ron Date: October 24, 2017, 3:09 pm
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[quote author=JR link=topic=496.msg328891#msg328891
date=1508873090]
We've certainly come a long way from, "Hey we lost the NLCS, but
it was a heck of a season!" to "Hey we lost the NLCS, it's time
for some heads to roll!"
[/quote]
Well, so far only one head has rolled. We'll see if there are
other changes (besides coaches being recruited for promotions
with other clubs).
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