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#Post#: 329676--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in '18
DIR By: Robb
Date: November 2, 2017, 7:29 pm
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I'd rather give Arrietta that money, not saying I would.
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Re: Cubs in '18
DIR By: Bennett
Date: November 2, 2017, 8:10 pm
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A guy just told me that Buster Olney said on Mike and Mike this
morning that Darvish was tipping his pitches in the series.
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Re: Cubs in '18
DIR By: JeffH
Date: November 2, 2017, 8:15 pm
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I wouldn't mind loading up the bullpen with salaried relievers
as long as you can identify guys that won't completely crater
within the length of their contract. Relief pitchers are so
valuable and in demand that you can almost always trade them
away without having to help pay down their contracts.
If your farm system starts producing viable relievers that you
want on the big league club full time and not just riding the
Iowa shuttle, you can always make room by moving a guy or two
via trade.
Of course, the "identify guys that won't completely crater
within the length of their contract" part is easier said than
done.
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Re: Cubs in '18
DIR By: Deeg
Date: November 2, 2017, 8:49 pm
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--- Quote from: CUBluejays link ---
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> Only interested in Darvish if he can deliver Otani.
>
> Deeg do you know anything about Mike Mikolas? He struggled
with the Padres and Rangers but did well in Japan. This year he
had a 9K/9 and 1.1 BB/9. With the Padres out of the pen he
averaged 94/95 and starting for the Rangers he was 92.7. He
could be an interesting pen/5th starter guy.
>
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I don't know that much about him, except that the Giants are by
far the richest team in NPB and they don't waste rotation spots
on hack players. You don't put up the numbers Mikolas has in
Japan without having decent stuff, and his velocity in NPB has
been pretty consistent with what it was as a starter in MLB. I
don't think Mikolas is a guy with a true knockout pitch, but he
throws hard enough and has developed exceptional command.
Upside to me would be a poor man's Mike Leake. He could be a
decent back-end starter, but I wouldn't sign him with the
intention of relying on him to be an anchor in the rotation by
any means.
In Darvish's defense, there seems to be ample evidence that the
balls were altered in the postseason. Verlander is certainly
convinced - he says he literally learned a cutter on the fly
because he didn't trust his slider enough to throw it. For a
guy like Darvish, who throws hard but relies heavily on tricksy
finger action on a wide range of pitches, sliicked baseballs
could be a real problem. I'm not saying I'd pay him 6-$160, but
I'd pay him more and for more years than Arrieta. His velocity
is still elite and he was outstanding the entire time he was
with the Dodgers until the WS.
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Re: Cubs in '18
DIR By: CUBluejays
Date: November 2, 2017, 8:58 pm
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According to Edwardo Perez there was some hand movement in his
glove that tipped his pitches. The Dodgers supposedly fixed
another tipping issue when they got him.
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Re: Cubs in '18
DIR By: Deeg
Date: November 2, 2017, 10:05 pm
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Tipping his pitches wouldn't explain how flat Darvish's breaking
stuff was, though.
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Re: Cubs in '18
DIR By: craig
Date: November 2, 2017, 10:10 pm
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Smooth ball also wouldn't explain why he was way, way, way, way,
way worse than anybody else who pitched in the series.
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Re: Cubs in '18
DIR By: CUBluejays
Date: November 2, 2017, 11:15 pm
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Could be a combo of fatigue, the ball and tipping his pitches.
It just doesn’t have to be 1 thing.
I am generally against giving post TJS guys multiple years and
$100+ million.
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Re: Cubs in '18
DIR By: Deeg
Date: November 2, 2017, 11:33 pm
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--- Quote from: craig link ---
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> Smooth ball also wouldn't explain why he was way, way, way,
way, way worse than anybody else who pitched in the series.
>
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Lots of guys were worse pitchers in the series than they had
been before, especially on the Dodgers. And I would argue that
Darvish is more of a "feel" pitcher than almost anyone else in
baseball.
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Re: Cubs in '18
DIR By: craig
Date: November 3, 2017, 12:41 pm
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INteresting to compare the core position groups.
Houston: Springer, Bergman, Altuve, Correa, and Gonzalez.
That's a REALLY good core.
Cubs: Rizzo, Bryant, Contreras, Russell, Baez, Schwarber,
Almora, Happ, Heyward. That's actually a longer collection of
young position players.
The extra volume of guys could hypothetically make that a better
core for the Cubs.
But Houston has 5 really, really good hitters, maybe 4 if you
don't want to include Marwin.
Not sure if the Cubs will have more than 3 really good hitters.
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