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Re: Cubs in '18
DIR By: CUBluejays
Date: November 1, 2017, 12:58 pm
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Cobbs is likely going to get a 3-4 deal, maybe around for
McCarthy got 4/$48 million? Tanaka will be a lot more. I'd
really like to keep some powder dry for next years FA class if
possible. I'd prefer Cobb to Tanaka.
Depending on cost, I'd be a yes on Samardzija. If the Giants
eat some of his contract he'd get a decent return, but not any
of the MLB guys. If they are just trading his contract I don't
think the cost would be too much.
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Re: Cubs in '18
DIR By: Deeg
Date: November 1, 2017, 1:28 pm
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I do think the medical concerns will depress Tanaka's value
somewhat. How much? Hard to say. His velocity was his best as
a major leaguer this past season.
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Re: Cubs in '18
DIR By: Robb
Date: November 1, 2017, 2:38 pm
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I don't want anything to do with Tanaka and his arm. He should
have had TJ surgery when he was first injured. Whoever signs him
is going to pay for a lot of rehab.
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Re: Cubs in '18
DIR By: craig
Date: November 1, 2017, 2:41 pm
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HOyer can decide, but I'd think any of the Tanaka/Samardz/Cobb
type guys, you add to Hendricks/Q/Lester, and staff may be deep
enough to make a pretty good run for the NL Central. Maybe
somebody of that level, or maybe step it up for Darvish or Otani
or whomever.
If you really believe playoffs is a lottery, and you're OK with
just getting in, any one of those types of Cobb/Samardz type
guys could give you reasonable hopes of getting past St.
Louis/Milwaukee.
For 5th starter, I assume they take a shot and wing it. Try
something clever/cheap that doesn't cost a ton; possible strong
value-per-dollar if best-case works out. Maybe it's like 2018
Brett Anderson, or what Mahomes or Feldman were like when we
signed them, or last-winter's Charlie Morton. Maybe a Wada, or
an Eddie Butler or Jacob Turner. Maybe Tseng. Maybe
Montgomery. Maybe like Jason Hammel of 3 and 4 years ago. Who
knows, maybe even the now version of Jason Hammel himself! (Had
a 4.37 FIP, right around Lester's ERA....) I just figure
they'll go cheap/creative/take-a-shot with 5th starter, and only
invest seriously in 4th starter.
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Re: Cubs in '18
DIR By: Deeg
Date: November 1, 2017, 2:46 pm
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--- Quote from: Robb link ---
>
> I don't want anything to do with Tanaka and his arm. He should
have had TJ surgery when he was first injured. Whoever signs him
is going to pay for a lot of rehab.
>
--- End Quote ---
The fact that Tanaka's velocity was up substantially this season
suggests rehab was pretty successful, at least in the short
term.
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Re: Cubs in '18
DIR By: Deeg
Date: November 1, 2017, 2:48 pm
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--- Quote from: craig link ---
>
> HOyer can decide, but I'd think any of the Tanaka/Samardz/Cobb
type guys, you add to Hendricks/Q/Lester, and staff may be deep
enough to make a pretty good run for the NL Central. Maybe
somebody of that level, or maybe step it up for Darvish or Otani
or whomever.
>
> If you really believe playoffs is a lottery, and you're OK
with just getting in, any one of those types of Cobb/Samardz
type guys could give you reasonable hopes of getting past St.
Louis/Milwaukee.
>
> For 5th starter, I assume they take a shot and wing it. Try
something clever/cheap that doesn't cost a ton; possible strong
value-per-dollar if best-case works out. Maybe it's like 2018
Brett Anderson, or what Mahomes or Feldman were like when we
signed them, or last-winter's Charlie Morton. Maybe a Wada, or
an Eddie Butler or Jacob Turner. Maybe Tseng. Maybe
Montgomery. Maybe like Jason Hammel of 3 and 4 years ago. Who
knows, maybe even the now version of Jason Hammel himself! (Had
a 4.37 FIP, right around Lester's ERA....) I just figure
they'll go cheap/creative/take-a-shot with 5th starter, and only
invest seriously in 4th starter.
>
--- End Quote ---
At some point I think this team needs a SP who's capable of
being a difference maker in a short series, not just helping you
get to the postseason. But given the massive needs in the
bullpen and the SP market, this might not be the winter where
that happen.
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Re: Cubs in '18
DIR By: Bennett
Date: November 2, 2017, 9:48 am
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106 days until pitchers and catchers report.
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Re: Cubs in '18
DIR By: JeffH
Date: November 2, 2017, 2:23 pm
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Bookmark for your reference.
HTML https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/11/mlb-offseason-key-dates.html
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Re: Cubs in '18
DIR By: brjones
Date: November 2, 2017, 6:32 pm
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MLB Trade Rumors has their free agent predictions up. They have
the Cubs getting:
Darvish at 6 years, $160 million
Addison Reed at 4 years, $36 million
Jake McGee at 3 years, $18 million
I'd be on board for the Reed and McGee deals (though I'd prefer
to cut a year off each of them and offer an extra million or two
per year), but I'd be a pretty hard no on Darvish at that price.
He's a pretty good #2, but he's not an ace who deserves one of
the largest pitcher contracts in baseball.
They have Alex Cobb getting 4 years, $48 million from the Twins.
If that's what he gets, I would be surprised if the Cubs
weren't at least a finalist for him.
HTML https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/11/2017-18-top-50-mlb-free-agents-with-predictions.html
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Re: Cubs in '18
DIR By: CUBluejays
Date: November 2, 2017, 7:27 pm
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Only interested in Darvish if he can deliver Otani.
Deeg do you know anything about Mike Mikolas? He struggled with
the Padres and Rangers but did well in Japan. This year he had a
9K/9 and 1.1 BB/9. With the Padres out of the pen he averaged
94/95 and starting for the Rangers he was 92.7. He could be an
interesting pen/5th starter guy.
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