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       #Post#: 329379--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Cubs in '18
       By: Bennett Date: October 30, 2017, 10:06 am
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       [quote author=Bennett link=topic=496.msg329228#msg329228
       date=1509297269]
       Mark Gonzalez in the Tribune:  First base coach Brandon Hyde
       could transition to become the bench coach, a position he held
       under Edwin Rodriguez and Jack McKeon with the Marlins in
       2010-11.
       [/quote]
       Mark Gonzalez again:
       [quote]If Hyde moves to the bench, a potential replacement at
       first base is Doug Dascenzo, the Cubs' minor-league outfield and
       base-running coordinator who was an outfielder for the team from
       1988-92. Dascenzo, 53, was hired as first-base coach in the
       2014-15 offseason before Maddon arrived and Hyde reassigned from
       bench coach to first base.[/quote]
       Dascenzo also pitched a little bit.
       #Post#: 329385--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Cubs in '18
       By: CUBluejays Date: October 30, 2017, 10:45 am
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       [quote author=Deeg link=topic=496.msg329332#msg329332
       date=1509337950]
       Depends on what the + is.
       [/quote]
       I can't see them doing a 1:1, but I also can't see the + being
       really great either.
       #Post#: 329386--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Cubs in '18
       By: method Date: October 30, 2017, 10:50 am
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       There is no way the Rays would do that.
       They are really high on Willy Adames, and they would want a
       bounty of A level studs for Archer.  Trading for a Super 2
       eligible SS doesnt really help them that much.
       #Post#: 329389--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Cubs in '18
       By: brjones Date: October 30, 2017, 11:40 am
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       Russell wouldn't give them any additional team control.  And if
       he broke out, it's not even clear he'd give them cost savings
       beyond 2018.  I don't see why the Rays would do that--I think
       they benefit more from just holding on to their best pitcher.
       #Post#: 329395--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Cubs in '18
       By: Deeg Date: October 30, 2017, 12:42 pm
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       I don't think the Cubs have the guns to deal for a pitcher of
       Archer's caliber anymore.  If they acquire SP via trade it's
       going to be high-ceiling guys with lots of warts (like Arrieta
       was).
       #Post#: 329402--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Cubs in '18
       By: CUBluejays Date: October 30, 2017, 1:14 pm
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       [quote author=method link=topic=496.msg329386#msg329386
       date=1509378658]
       There is no way the Rays would do that.
       They are really high on Willy Adames, and they would want a
       bounty of A level studs for Archer.  Trading for a Super 2
       eligible SS doesnt really help them that much.
       [/quote]
       I could see trading Archer for somebody like Russell if they
       don't want to rebuild and they think that they have the young
       pitching to replace him.  Long shot sure and I'm not 100%
       convinced the Cubs would do it either.
       I just looked up Adames and he is 1 year and 8 months younger
       than Russell.
       #Post#: 329403--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Cubs in '18
       By: method Date: October 30, 2017, 1:19 pm
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       Rays are looking to move to Hillsborough County.
       
       Last week Hillsborough announced they have secured the land
       needed for a new stadium in Ybor City area of town. There is
       still about 300 million in gap financing that is missing and it
       will likely go to the polls to determine if the tax payers want
       to approve that type of expense. (link -
  HTML http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/baynews9/news/article.html/content/news/articles/bn9/2017/10/24/hillsborough_busines.html<br
       />)
       I would be shocked if they somehow decided to short circuit a
       fairly lengthy rebuild here and ship off their biggest trade
       chip for anything short of what the Sox got for Q. Some believe
       that Archer is worth a Sale type return... and i'd wager that is
       what the Rays are going to be looking to get. 2-3 high Ceiling
       high floor class A level players.
       #Post#: 329416--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Cubs in '18
       By: CUBluejays Date: October 30, 2017, 2:56 pm
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       [quote author=method link=topic=496.msg329403#msg329403
       date=1509387545]
       Rays are looking to move to Hillsborough County.
       
       Last week Hillsborough announced they have secured the land
       needed for a new stadium in Ybor City area of town. There is
       still about 300 million in gap financing that is missing and it
       will likely go to the polls to determine if the tax payers want
       to approve that type of expense. (link -
  HTML http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/baynews9/news/article.html/content/news/articles/bn9/2017/10/24/hillsborough_busines.html<br
       />)
       I would be shocked if they somehow decided to short circuit a
       fairly lengthy rebuild here and ship off their biggest trade
       chip for anything short of what the Sox got for Q. Some believe
       that Archer is worth a Sale type return... and i'd wager that is
       what the Rays are going to be looking to get. 2-3 high Ceiling
       high floor class A level players.
       [/quote]
       Might be a bad time to do a full rebuild, but a retooling they
       might be able to sell to the public.
       #Post#: 329418--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Cubs in '18
       By: method Date: October 30, 2017, 3:16 pm
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       I think most fans here in Tampa are aware they are "re-tooling"
       as we speak, have been doing so since the David Price trade.
       Its probably another 1-2 years before they are in a good spot.
       On local sports radio its basically a forgone conclusion that
       they are retooling for a new stadium in Tampa, or for a new
       stadium outside this area entirely. No one be-grudges the Rays
       on any of this... esp considering the state of the trop, and
       potential for increase in taxes for a new stadium.
       #Post#: 329422--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Cubs in '18
       By: CurtOne Date: October 30, 2017, 3:46 pm
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       Pitcher          W  L       QS    K     HA     ERA     WH
       one              10  14      19   219  178   3.51    1.14
       two              13    9      23   173  188   3.31    1.19
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