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Re: Cubs Draft 2017
By: Jes Beard Date: June 10, 2017, 1:02 pm
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HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HNWhVXcjV8
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Re: Cubs Draft 2017
By: chgojhawk Date: June 10, 2017, 1:15 pm
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On one end, molesting a 6 year old family member could include
playing doctor but the age disparity suggests that it was likely
something more than that. Yes, Heimlich was 15 years old. He
is just 21 now so he isn't that far removed from the legal
process being completed.
Again, I am not deadset against drafting him. I am confident
that the front office will do their research and make logical
decisions. Every draftee has inherent risk of not making the
majors for one reason or another. Heimlich will face added
pressure due to his past. Think Ben Christensen on steroids
type of situation.
Our front office is far more capable than most. If they feel
Heimlich is a good risk and deserving of a 2nd chance along with
being a good person, then I am all for it (assuming that I will
never find out what allegedly happened). I am trusting that our
management will make the right decision on this.
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Re: Cubs Draft 2017
By: guest61 Date: June 10, 2017, 1:30 pm
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So this dude loves up his 6 year old cousin just a few years ago
and because we like his upside we're willing to just let this
one slide but I'm bad for believing Addison Russell's word over
some gold digger?
Lmao
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Re: Cubs Draft 2017
By: chgojhawk Date: June 10, 2017, 2:18 pm
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Dusty, I'm guessing you weren't referring to me. I would NOT
draft him in any round IF I found out what he did and deemed it
beyond reproach. What I have said is that it is extremely
unlikely that we will ever find out what he did. As such we
have no choice but to trust our front office and hope that they
make a decision consistent with our individual beliefs and
standards. With 28 other big league teams (and the White Sox)
it is unlikely that he will wind up in the Cubs org anyhow.
It may be best for the kid to play in a small market (if he even
makes the MLB).
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Re: Cubs Draft 2017
By: Reb Date: June 10, 2017, 2:33 pm
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There are explicit details of the incident in the original
Portland Oregonian report, below.
Callis has a piece quoting a NL scout as saying he won't be
drafted at all.
HTML http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2017/06/luke_heimlich_sex_crime_surfac.html
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Re: Cubs Draft 2017
By: davep Date: June 10, 2017, 2:42 pm
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From the article
Research shows that the vast majority of juveniles convicted of
sex crimes do not reoffend in subsequent years.
After about three years, the likelihood of reoffending is "very
small," said psychologist Michael Caldwell, who lectures at the
University of Wisconsin-Madison.
At five years, the recidivism rate for another sex crime hovers
at 2.75 percent, according to a study that Caldwell published in
2016. That's because juvenile sex offenders tend to mature and
respond well to intervention, Caldwell said.
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Re: Cubs Draft 2017
By: CUBluejays Date: June 10, 2017, 2:45 pm
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I did a lot of stupid things as teenager, but nothing close to
that. That is something that should ruin a career. I don't see
any resemblance to Russell at all. So far a post on instagram is
the only accusation against Russell, where Hemiloch has an
actual felony conviction.
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Re: Cubs Draft 2017
By: Reb Date: June 10, 2017, 3:13 pm
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[quote author=CUBluejays link=topic=488.msg312792#msg312792
date=1497123922]
....That is something that should ruin a career....
[/quote]
Obviously, as to acts as a minor, it's way, way more complicated
than "should ruin a career." It depends. Could this guy get
certified as a doctor or lawyer, for example, down the road? It
depends. Maybe yes, maybe no. Here's the criteria recommended to
state bar associations for lawyers by National conference of Bar
Examiners:
[i]"the applicant’s age at the time of the conduct, the recency
of the conduct, the reliability of the
information concerning the conduct, the seriousness of the
conduct, the cumulative effect of
conduct or information, the evidence of rehabilitation, the
applicant’s positive social
contributions since the conduct, the applicant’s candor in the
admissions process and the
materiality of any omissions or misrepresentations." Courts have
often also
focused on whether the applicant expresses and demonstrated
remorse. In order to be admitted to the bar
in such cases, the evidence of rehabilitation must show that the
cause of applicant’s misconduct
has been eliminated, that such misconduct will therefore not
recur, and that the applicant is
therefore currently fit to practice law. [/i]
MLB has a PR component to it. Is it worth offending some fans
by signing and playing a guy with this history? Really doubt
it's entirely a moral issue. Clubs have to balance the PR hit
and the conduct itself with maybe having a good player.
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Re: Cubs Draft 2017
By: guest61 Date: June 10, 2017, 3:35 pm
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No player is good enough to drag around that baggage.
He'd get raped in prison for it.
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Re: Cubs Draft 2017
By: Robb Date: June 10, 2017, 3:49 pm
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I'm all for burning guys at the stake, casting the first stone
and all that, but condemning a guy forever for a mistake when he
was a kid I am unwilling to do, unless he shows no sign of
remorse. I would hate to be judged for the rest of my life for
the actions of my 14 year- old self.
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