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Re: Cubs Draft 2017
By: CUBluejays Date: June 9, 2017, 6:46 pm
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Law talked more about Allen to the Cubs. He thinks they are
trying to go over/under with the 2 first round picks and that
would to get a top 15 talent and that takes Allen out of the
Cubs first round.
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Re: Cubs Draft 2017
By: Jes Beard Date: June 9, 2017, 7:15 pm
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[quote author=CUBluejays link=topic=488.msg312718#msg312718
date=1497052018]
Law talked more about Allen to the Cubs. He thinks they are
trying to go over/under with the 2 first round picks and that
would to get a top 15 talent and that takes Allen out of the
Cubs first round.
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Say what?
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Re: Cubs Draft 2017
By: CUBluejays Date: June 9, 2017, 9:31 pm
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Over slot with one pick, under slot with the other.
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Re: Cubs Draft 2017
By: CurtOne Date: June 9, 2017, 10:51 pm
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HTML http://www.espn.com/college-sports/baseball/story/_/id/19592438/luke-heimlich-oregon-state-asks-excused-playing-start-ncaa-super-regionals
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Re: Cubs Draft 2017
By: CUBluejays Date: June 10, 2017, 7:27 am
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I was listening to the Cubs Talk Podcast and they were talking
to Matt Dorey. Dorey mentioned that they like the college
pitching in the first round, but those players may not make it
to their first pick. If that didn't work out he mentioned fall
back options and that the Cubs have done work on high school
pitching looking for present stuff, athletic, control, etc...
They still consider college hitting less risky, that it is not a
great year for those players and they don't expect them to make
it to there pick.
He also talked about the R&D and analytics playing role. The
have a full time R&D guy and basing some projections off of
historical comps to player type.
They have looked at pitching scouting over the last 24 months
and that TORP comes from the first 2 rounds.
Kris Bryant's dad is leading a scout team in Vegas for the Cubs.
More of an area scout type of gig.
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Re: Cubs Draft 2017
By: Jes Beard Date: June 10, 2017, 11:19 am
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[quote author=CurtOne link=topic=488.msg312730#msg312730
date=1497066660]
HTML http://www.espn.com/college-sports/baseball/story/_/id/19592438/luke-heimlich-oregon-state-asks-excused-playing-start-ncaa-super-regionals
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Luke Heimlich said in the statement that he didn't want to be a
distraction to the team, which defeated Vanderbilt 8-4 on Friday
in the opening game of their NCAA super regional. Heimlich's
attorney, Stephen Ensor, released the statement just hours
before first pitch.
"I understand that many people now see me differently, but I
hope that I can eventually be judged for the person I am today,"
Heimlich said in his statement. "I'm so proud of our team's
accomplishment and don't want to be a distraction. Therefore,
I've respectfully requested to be excused from playing at this
time."
My comment -- Heimlich's decision not to pitch may be a second
hammer-blow to his draft position any future in professional
baseball. It would seem to be an indication that he may have
real trouble dealing with the focus certain to come his way
after disclosure of his conviction. Certainly it probably would
have been worse if he were to pitch and utterly stunk in the
appearance, but he truly needed a solid showing to convince
front offices that he has the emotional makeup to successfully
deal with the recent disclosures.
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Re: Cubs Draft 2017
By: davep Date: June 10, 2017, 11:36 am
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It depends upon whether you believe his statement, that he is
doing it for the team, or if you believe he is doing it because
he can not handle the situation. I don't know enough about the
kid to make that judgement. But if the Cubs are interested in
him, I think it is likely that they have done the research to
make that judgement.
I imagine that it depends upon how far down he falls. It sounds
like he has the talent to be a mid-second round pick. I assume
that no one will take him there, but if he falls to round 5 - 6
- 7, someone is going to take a chance on him. I wouldn't mind
if it were the Cubs.
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Re: Cubs Draft 2017
By: chgojhawk Date: June 10, 2017, 12:05 pm
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[quote author=davep link=topic=488.msg312754#msg312754
date=1497112594]
It depends upon whether you believe his statement, that he is
doing it for the team, or if you believe he is doing it because
he can not handle the situation. I don't know enough about the
kid to make that judgement. But if the Cubs are interested in
him, I think it is likely that they have done the research to
make that judgement.
I imagine that it depends upon how far down he falls. It sounds
like he has the talent to be a mid-second round pick. I assume
that no one will take him there, but if he falls to round 5 - 6
- 7, someone is going to take a chance on him. I wouldn't mind
if it were the Cubs.
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As a defense attorney I am all about "he paid his debt to
society" etc.....but before saying that I would be happy with
the Cubs taking him (in any round) I would want to find out a
little more about what happened and where he is now. I'm
guessing that I will never find out that information. I'm all
for 2nd, and sometimes 3rd, and even 4th chances. I am hopeful
that this young man has received sufficient counseling to deal
with this issue. Unfortunately my experience suggests that many
people who are capable of "molesting a 6 year old" have demons
that are beyond their control.
As I get older I buy into Jerry Seinfeld's theory that we are
simply rooting for pieces of cloth. However, I am also able to
be more selective in who I support. I can't imagine that
Heimlich, or anyone else, would want to have issues of this
sort. If Heimlich has received sufficient treatment and is now
a positive, contributing member of society, I would be in favor
of drafting him in a logical round. While none of us here are
likely to find the answers, I am hopeful that the Cubs brass
does their due diligence.
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Re: Cubs Draft 2017
By: CurtOne Date: June 10, 2017, 12:14 pm
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He was 15 years old. There's a reason that those kind of
juvenile records are supposed to be sealed. His crime concerns
me but I'm also concerned about the journalist who wet himself
in revealing it. The kid may have ruined his life at 15, but
somebody else has severely damaged what was left of it.
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Re: Cubs Draft 2017
By: davep Date: June 10, 2017, 12:34 pm
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As JHawk said, we don't know the details of the case. The term
"molest", as I understand it, can cover a wide range of actions,
and I suspect that there is a spectrum of "seriousness" in the
range. And as Curt says, the reason these things are sealed for
minors is so that something done at age 15 does not affect you
for the rest of your life. Nonetheless, now that the
information is on the street, it is very likely to affect his
draft position. But since it appears that this front office
places great stress on character, I would expect them to do
substantial investigation into the current character of their
draftees, and especially one that has a known blot on that
character.
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