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Re: Cubs in '17 - 👑👑👑 Reigning Champions
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DIR By: Bennett
Date: November 5, 2016, 10:03 am
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--- Quote from: Ron link ---
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> Oh come on. Rick Morrissey would never do something like that.
No more than Skip Bayless would.
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Skip Bayless. Where have I heard that name before? Was it
between innings during the NLDS, the NLCS, and the World Series?
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Re: Cubs in '17 - 👑👑👑 Reigning Champions
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DIR By: Ron
Date: November 5, 2016, 10:12 am
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> I don't have much of a problem with what Montero said.
Assuming Joe didn't discuss Montero's postseason role with him,
he was just being honest about how he felt.
>
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My impression is that Montero is a what-you-see-is-what-you-get
guy. Doesn't just fall back on the usual Bull Durham type
comments. Earlier in the season he reportedly said he was
afraid of getting released because of how poorly he had played
up to that point.
By all accounts he's been extremely supportive of both Schwarber
and Contreras as guys who were destined to replace him. He
recently said Schwarber was going to be the leader of the team
and he's praised Contreras highly. It's understandable that he
wanted to play more, particularly given the two enormously
important pinch hits he got. Eric Byrnes on MLB Network said of
all the guys he played with on the A's and Diamondbacks Montero
was one of two guys he'd want coming to bat in crucial
situations.
I'm very surprised and disappointed by him saying there was no
communication. Communication with players is something that Joe
is known for.
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Re: Cubs in '17 - 👑👑👑 Reigning Champions
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DIR By: Ron
Date: November 5, 2016, 10:15 am
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I've wondered if, now that the team has actually reached the
pinnacle (including ending the drought some came here to end)
how the team-first culture would fare. I wonder if it may be
harder to maintain that it was to create. Fowler, as much of
let's-win-it-for-each-other-and-Chicago-fans guy as he was, not
only announced immediately he would become a free agent, he gave
no indication that he favored returning to the Cubs. Fowler is
likely gone, I think. Ross' leadership will be missed. There
will undoubtedly be other changes. It will be interesting to see
what things look like when the dust settles. There do still
seem to be some important team leaders in Lester and Rizzo, and
maybe Zobrist, Heyward and Schwarber to keep things together. So
I am hopeful.
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Re: Cubs in '17 - 👑👑👑 Reigning Champions
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DIR By: Ron
Date: November 5, 2016, 10:17 am
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> I think we should have all learned by now to stop saying "no
way" on anything when it comes to Schwarber.
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Although I tend to agree that there is "no way" Schwarber will
be the #2 catcher, you do make a very good point. I'm not
entirely convinced he's really from Ohio, or any other state or
country on this planet after the last two post-seasons.
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Re: Cubs in '17 - 👑👑👑 Reigning Champions
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DIR By: goblue007
Date: November 5, 2016, 11:25 am
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Schwarbie?
#Post#: 296388--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in '17 - 👑👑👑 Reigning Champions
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DIR By: Deeg
Date: November 5, 2016, 11:36 am
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--- Quote from: Playtwo link ---
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> I don't have much of a problem with what Montero said.
Assuming Joe didn't discuss Montero's postseason role with him,
he was just being honest about how he felt.
>
--- End Quote ---
Even if one doesn't have a problem with what Montero said, I
would think they'd have a problem with when he chose to say it.
#Post#: 296392--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in '17 - 👑👑👑 Reigning Champions
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DIR By: CurtOne
Date: November 5, 2016, 1:31 pm
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--- Quote from: Deeg link ---
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> Even if one doesn't have a problem with what Montero said, I
would think they'd have a problem with when he chose to say it.
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agree. A month from now, maybe. If he played for Cleveland,
maybe. But he manifests why Heyward, Ross, and Zobrist are
leaders and he's not.
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Re: Cubs in '17 - 👑👑👑 Reigning Champions
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DIR By: davep
Date: November 5, 2016, 1:35 pm
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I don't have a problem with what he said, or with when he said
it.
The frustration must be incredible when you realize that the end
is near and there is nothing you can do with it. He is in that
shadow zone where he can still contribute, but not enough to be
the every day player. He showed his frustration, but in my
opinion, not in a way that will cause trouble with the team in
the future.
The Cubs would have a difficult time trading him this winter
even if he had said nothing. I don't believe that paying 3 or 4
million of his contract will make him much more in demand. At
this point, barring a totally unlikely resurgence, he is a third
string catcher at best. What did Ross make last season - two
and one half million? I doubt that any team would be willing to
pay more than that in salary unless they thought he could be a
starter for 100 games or more. I doubt that any think that he
can.
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Re: Cubs in '17 - 👑👑👑 Reigning Champions
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DIR By: Deeg
Date: November 5, 2016, 1:43 pm
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No, no team would care if you took 3-4 million off of Montero's
contract. But some team might be willing to pay 3-4 million of
it, which is what I suggested as a possibility.
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Re: Cubs in '17 - 👑👑👑 Reigning Champions
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DIR By: craig
Date: November 5, 2016, 2:27 pm
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Regular long season, everybody gets a chance to contribute, and
Maddon is normally very good about distributing time and keeping
almost everybody involved. It's really a team operation during
the regular season. But maybe the World Series inevitably
reveals some realities about how the manager feels about guys.
Perhaps guys will never be able to feel quite the same "team"
feeling they felt before?
*Montero realizes (accurately) that the manager didn't think he
was good enough to catch.
*How must Jason Hammel feel? He's been an integral part of
things for three years, won a bunch of games, had a sub-3 ERA
for most of the year. But he knows management doesn't value him
among their top-13 pitchers.
*Baez is angry, because he (accurately) realized the manager
doesn't trust that he can recognize and make contact with a
strike with the season on the line.
*Wood got used constantly all year. WS, not used when things
really counted.
*Strop and Rondon, same.
*Even Montgomery, with a 7-2 lead, a single gets through, he
must realize Maddon didn't trust him enough to complete the 7th
inning of Game 6 rather than use Chapman for 8 innings over 3
games.
*Hendricks, had great season, had allowed just one run, and had
a 5-1 lead; but when one baserunner got a walk following a bad
umpiring call, Maddon didn't trust him.
I suspect the urgency of the WS perhaps exposed truths that
perhaps had been hidden before? It's just some of the
collateral that follows. If some of those guys don't quite
feel the same trust they thought they felt from Maddon before,
can you blame them?
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