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Re: Green Bay sucks (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
By: otto105 Date: July 7, 2011, 4:16 pm
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Unlike the saying...it definitely doesn't suck to be King.
Quarterback...by a wide margin GB
Runningback...John Starks/Ryan Grant better
WRs...GB all day everyday
Offensive line...LOL at the bear
Defensive Backs...GB
Linebackers...one is old one is not...GB
Defensive line...GB
Special teams...Maybe even
Coaches...one group won a SB one didn't
Front Office...one in Chicago is laughable.
Field...always GB
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Re: Green Bay sucks (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
By: packrat Date: July 7, 2011, 6:15 pm
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[quote author=Keysbear link=topic=44.msg19479#msg19479
date=1309910316]
Is there someone out there that can translate Wisconsinese?
[/quote]
I'm from Wisconsin and that is not Wisconinese. It's from the
commisar in Madison so I guess it's Madisonese.
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Re: Green Bay sucks (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
By: packrat Date: July 10, 2011, 6:17 pm
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Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on July 10, 2011, 9:48 AM EDT
AP
While the wife of Packers cornerback Brandon Underwood has done
her best to cover for her husband after a recent domestic
disturbance, it’s quite possible the incident will end
Underwood’s tumultuous run in Green Bay.
Greg A. Bedard of the Boston Globe writes that Underwood “should
be in his final days as a Packer.” The former Packers beat
writer believes that coach Mike McCarthy’s stated goal to only
have “Packer People” of high character on the roster should make
the decision easy.
“Underwood, like [Johnny] Jolly, should never play for the
Packers again. Or the phrase ‘Packer people’ is worth about as
much as the paper it was printed on,” Bedard writes.
Considering Underwood’s relatively minor role at a deep position
for the Packers, getting rid of him shouldn’t be too painful.
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Re: Green Bay sucks (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
By: packrat Date: July 13, 2011, 6:44 pm
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By Tyler Dunne of the Journal Sentinel
July 12, 2011 |(163) Comments
Greetings Packer Nation. It's a privilege to enter your world.
This week, I start my job covering the defending champs for the
Journal Sentinel. Needless to say, I'm thrilled and honored to
serve some of the best fans in the country. This is, without a
doubt, a dream opportunity and I certainly have big shoes to
fill. My predecessor, Greg Bedard, did a great job connecting
with all of you. Hoping to pick up where he left off. I'm also
really looking forward to working with - and learning from -
some of the best beat writers in the country in Bob McGinn, Tom
Silverstein and Lori Nickel.
As for me, I'm from Great Valley, N.Y., a small town about an
hour south of Buffalo. For two summers during college, I
acquired an itch for the Packers beat as an intern for multiple
publications in Wisconsin. And after graduating from Syracuse
University in June of 2010, working at the Fayetteville Observer
and Buffalo News, I'm ecstatic to return.
On to football. The news surrounding a potential lockout
resolution is sweetening so let's look ahead. Here are 10 topics
to ponder with a new season looming. Feel free to reach me any
time at tdunne@journalsentinel or via Twitter @TyDunne.
10. Tracking the loaded NFC North. This may be the best division
in football, devoid of bottom-feeders. The Bears remain a
contender. The Lions should finally make their leap into
relevancy. And the Vikings, much better than their 6-10 record
indicated a year ago, will return to normalcy.
9. How is Jermichael Finley re-assimilated into the offense?
Without him, the Packers leaned on a multi-wideout attack. The
top four wide receivers each had at least 45 receptions. An
entire year's gameplan changed on the fly - and succeeded. Now,
Finley returns. How does Mike McCarthy harness his sudden
abundance of weapons effectively?
8. Who stays, who goes? Don't expect Ted Thompson to be a player
in free agency. It's not in his nature and there's no need to.
But depending on how free agency is constructed under the new
CBA, he'll have some tough decisions to make. We could see an
unprecedented, abbreviated feeding frenzy. GMs have been licking
their chops for months to fill needs. Who does Thompson retain?
7. Is Cullen Jenkins replaceable? His exit may be a foregone
conclusion. But for a 3-4 end, Jenkins is a mutation. Beyond a
mere space-eater, he totaled seven sacks in 11 games last
season. Finding an adequate replacement (see: grooming Mike
Neal) will be at the top of Dom Capers' to-do list.
6. Judgment Day? Character has weighed heavily in the makeup of
the current roster. Will the Packers brass deal with Johnny
Jolly and Brandon Underwood swiftly?
5. New toys. A pair of rookie offensive weapons fell in the
team's lap in the draft. On paper, Kentucky's Randall Cobb and
Hawaii's Alex Green fit in immediately. One in the return game,
the other as a third-down back. First, though, they need to get
on the field.
4. Goodbye Barnett? Desmond Bishop broke out last year,
entrenching himself as a starter. Barnett's play isn't exactly
deteriorating. But coming off of a season-ending wrist injury,
he's set to make $5.5 million in 2011. Green Bay might deem its
situation at ILB a pork project.
3. The battle at running back. Remember when many fans
practically were hoisting pitchforks at 1265 Lombardi Avenue,
urging management to pursue Marshawn Lynch? Hit-and-run, gun
charges and all? A distant memory. The competition in Green
Bay's backfield will be heated. Returning from an ankle injury,
Grant says it's still his job to lose. Unsung hero James Starks
is breathing down his neck. Green isn't far behind and the likes
of Brandon Jackson and John Kuhn could still be in the picture.
Ding, ding.
2. The motivation meter. Drive should not be a problem. The
roster is stocked with players with something to prove, players
that watched a Super Bowl victory in basketball shorts. For a
defending champ, that's rare. Does Pat Riley's old "Disease of
Me" theory set in? Or will the chemistry McCarthy and Thompson
carefully crafted prevail?
1. Above all, can Aaron Rodgers get even better? He was
borderline invincible by year's end with a 109.8 postseason
passer rating. The greats always hunt down a weakness in their
game and attack in the offseason. Maybe Rodgers, three years in
as a starter, is just getting started.
NOTE TO OUR READERS: Tyler Dunne will answer questions
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Re: Green Bay sucks (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
By: guest118 Date: July 19, 2011, 2:26 pm
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What a dumb f uck for a lot of reasons.......
[i]
The NFL lockout has prevented Packers players from receiving
their Super Bowl rings in a public ceremony or making the
customary trip to the White House. Getting tatted up with the
former is one way to solve that problem.
My biggest concern for Shields is that he becomes a free agent
after the 2012 season. When he walks into a negotiating meeting
at Lambeau Field with a four-inch Packers G popping from his
shirt collar, reason dictates that it would kill his leverage a
bit.
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Re: Green Bay sucks (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
By: packrat Date: July 19, 2011, 6:36 pm
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<i>My biggest concern for Shields is that he becomes a free
agent after the 2012 season. When he walks into a negotiating
meeting at Lambeau Field with a four-inch Packers G popping from
his shirt collar, reason dictates that it would kill his
leverage a bit.</i>
Yes it would. However, I hope and bet that he never leaves. He
was a rookie last season and will likely become a core player.
I think the tattoos are stupid.
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Re: Green Bay sucks (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
By: packrat Date: July 20, 2011, 11:52 am
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Jermichael Finley, TE
Jonathan Daniel/Getty Images
This was the most painful player to write about.
The potential for Jermichael Finley is absolutely stunning, but
that potential will be somewhere else in 2012.
If—and this is a huge if right now—Finley can stay healthy for
an entire season, he will absolutely separate himself as the
best tight end in football. It won't be easy to let Finley go,
but the amount of money he will want will be too much for Green
Bay.
Remember that Green Bay drafted two tight ends back in April,
and D.J. Williams has all the tools to be a special player.
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Re: Green Bay sucks (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
By: otto105 Date: July 21, 2011, 6:28 pm
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Tatoos don't determine how one plays, a real GM knows this.
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Re: Green Bay sucks (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
By: packrat Date: July 22, 2011, 7:29 pm
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Green Bay - The Green Bay Packers didn't need any favors in
their attempt to repeat as Super Bowl champions.
Then along came an off-season without football, which provided
the Packers with a subtle but almost unfair advantage entering
2011.
Each day that the National Football League lockout persists
represents one fewer day for 31 teams to catch Green Bay. If the
labor dispute had dragged on until September, as I guessed all
along that it would, the Packers might have been almost
impossible to beat.
One day last month, Mike McCarthy was trying to stay sharp as a
football coach without a team. When it was suggested to McCarthy
that every day without football only benefited the Packers, he
blanched.
"We always get a lot better during the OTAs," insisted McCarthy.
"We needed them."
McCarthy's three-month off-season program (mid-March to
mid-June) was run as well if not better than most other programs
around the NFL. He swore by the results. So did many of his
players.
It isn't that the Packers didn't need their off-season. It's
that every other team needed it more.
No off-season programs basically meant every team stayed right
where it was. That's precisely where the team at the top, in
this case the Packers, would want everyone else to remain.
Twenty teams haven't been on a football field since Jan. 2. Of
the 12 playoff teams, only Super Bowl participants Green Bay and
Pittsburgh had the benefit of 15 practices after the 20
non-playoff teams were finished.
McCarthy already had planned to delay the start of the
off-season program by two or three weeks so his players, coaches
and support staff could catch their breath. More than any other
team, the Packers will have benefited simply by getting away
from football and just resting.
In the first 44 years of the Super Bowl era, eight teams have
been able to win championships back-to-back but no team has ever
won three in a row. The Super Bowl hangover is real. Just seven
of the last 15 champions so much as won their division the
following season.
Super Bowl champions face a variety of obstacles. Friends and
family tell every player on the roster how great they are. And,
having accomplished the ultimate goal, some players lose their
desire for the punishing workouts that are at the core of their
job livelihood.
In the case of the Packers, they played 24 games last season and
ended up with one of the most magnificent seasons in franchise
history. It would have been difficult for some players to be
right back in town nine or 10 weeks later sitting in meeting
rooms listening to the same stuff that they had mastered during
the season.
Let's assume the Packers won't practice for the first time until
the weekend of July 30-31. That's 25 weeks, almost half a year,
since they beat the Steelers in Dallas.
Listen to and read the words of players in the last few weeks.
There's a sense of eagerness among the Packers that simply
wouldn't have been there had it been a normal off-season.
This is the perfect scenario for a team trying to recapture its
esprit de corps of six months ago.
The last time the Packers were in this situation was 1997. That
team overcame early season-ending injuries to Edgar Bennett and
Craig Newsome, duplicated the 13-3 mark of the '96 titlists and
made it back to the Super Bowl before falling to Denver.
On the eve of the '97 season, I wrote that the Packers should be
favored for five reasons: the quarterback, the coach, the
general manager and his scouts, the corporate structure and the
continuity within the organization.
The principals are different now in each of the five categories,
but the level of excellence is similar.
Not only does Aaron Rodgers have the best regular-season passer
rating in history, he has the best postseason mark in history.
Upon careful study, and multiple interviews with Packers and
Steelers alike, Rodgers' performance in Dallas should rank among
the half-dozen finest in Super Bowl history.
McCarthy became more than just a top-flight offensive coach a
year ago. He grew into the leader that the organization sorely
needed.
Ted Thompson will never change. He outworks many of his peers,
listens to his people and keeps demonstrating the knack for
picking the best of closely rated players. What shouldn't be
overlooked about Thompson is the understated, professional
workplace that he creates.
Mark Murphy recognized early that Thompson and McCarthy were
worthy of his support and that of the board of directors.
After camp opens, the Packers should be ready to play a game in
no time.
On offense, McCarthy starts his sixth season with the same
scheme, the same coordinator (Joe Philbin) and five position
coaches that have been with him throughout his tenure. Jimmy
Robinson, the premier wide receivers coach, departed for Dallas.
On defense, the coordinator (Dom Capers) and his entire staff
remain intact for a third year in a row.
It isn't only that these coaches know exactly what McCarthy
wants. The collective level of expertise on this staff might
match favorably against any in club annals.
In the personnel department, the Packers have been as stable as
just about any group in the NFL over the last 10 years. When the
Eagles and coach Andy Reid pursued Eliot Wolf hard after the
draft, the Packers promoted Wolf to a position akin to what John
Schneider had and retained his services
Compare that checklist to what's going on around the league.
Eight franchises will have new coaches with, for the most part,
entirely new schemes. Minus an off-season, none of them really
has a chance in 2011.
Depending on your definition of "set," 14 of the 32 coaches
either don't know who will be their starting quarterback or, if
they were honest, recognize that their starter isn't good enough
to win the Super Bowl. Six quarterbacks were drafted in the
first two rounds, but in the wake of the lockout there just
aren't enough hours of preparation for them to stand out as
rookies.
Six of Green Bay's 16 games are against teams with new coaches
or teams unsettled at quarterback, or both.
When the gong sounds for the start of free agency, the Packers
won't be signing anyone. They'll try to re-sign some of their
own veterans before they hit the market, add a dozen or so
undrafted rookies and take the practice field with all but a
handful of players from their Super Bowl 53 supplemented by
eight to 10 of the 15 players that ended the season on injured
reserve.
No one in their right mind should ever think that the Packers
would even entertain lavishing $18 million or more this year
alone on Raiders cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha. They'll continue
developing Sam Shields, hope for another good year or two from
Charles Woodson and see what fourth-round pick Davon House has
to offer.
The Packers have more than enough players. Even if they didn't,
a blockbuster deal in free agency might be hard to handle given
their cap situation.
In late February, the players under contract to Green Bay for
2011 totaled $128.6 million against the salary cap that was in
effect through 2009. Only the Cowboys ($134.2 million) had more
cap commitments, although A.J. Hawk's new deal on March 3 did
reduce the Packers' charge by about $8 million.
The proposed collective bargaining agreement approved by the
owners Thursday includes a salary cap of $120.375 million for
2011.
Cullen Jenkins will be leaving for what should be a huge
contract in free agency. Jenkins was the team's second-best pass
rusher, but he's 30 and Mike Neal was drafted high a year ago to
replace him.
The decision to pay Hawk enormous money means he'll keep
starting alongside Desmond Bishop, Brandon Chillar will back up
at inside linebacker and Nick Barnett will become a cap
casualty.
McCarthy still thinks James Jones can become consistent even
though he has dropped 30 of 285 targeted passes (10.5%) in four
seasons. Now it's up to Jones.
The Packers are expected to offer him a reasonable contract even
though Randall Cobb was drafted to do more than return kicks as
a rookie. The market, however, likely will provide other
opportunities for Jones.
Mason Crosby's next contract will be with Green Bay. So will
John Kuhn's. I wouldn't offer Daryn Colledge a representative
multiyear deal, but someone might because players from Super
Bowl teams often are overvalued in free agency.
The flurry of developments that transpire over the next few
weeks will be newsy. Still, they'll be merely window dressing in
comparison to the arresting level of talent residing on the
depth chart.
Jermichael Finley, one of six key Packers sure to be inspired by
a contract year in 2011, heads the list of five tight ends, four
of whom can get downfield. Drafting Derek Sherrod all the way
down at No. 32 in the first round gives McCarthy the luxury of
having three tackles. And then there are three or four
respectable candidates to succeed the mediocre Colledge at left
guard.
Few teams can match the Packers' collection of three running
backs, all of whom at least have the size and ability to be
every-down players.
Wide bodies B.J. Raji, Ryan Pickett and Howard Green, a stubborn
three-man front down the stretch, have had weight issues and
will be monitored closely next month. Defensive end C.J. Wilson
might not have Neal's ability but he is no slug, either.
The Packers won a Super Bowl with Frank Zombo, Erik Walden and
Brad Jones playing opposite Clay Matthews. The return of Morgan
Burnett and the re-signing of Charlie Peprah give Capers three
safeties.
Perhaps Cobb will help improve the special teams that haunted
McCarthy in four of the six defeats.
McCarthy's enemies are selfishness and greed in the locker room.
Everything else, at least when compared to the competition,
couldn't be more to his liking.
The lockout locked in the Packers as the team to beat. Pick
against them at your peril.
Send email to bmcginn@journalsentinel.com
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Re: Green Bay sucks (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
By: packrat Date: July 27, 2011, 2:51 pm
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7:02PM ETEmailPrintComments339By Kevin SeifertMany of us
presumed the Green Bay Packers were prepared to let receiver
James Jones move on via free agency. I, for one, have been among
those who wondered if the Packers would commit market-level
money to a pass-catcher when Greg Jennings, Donald Driver, Jordy
Nelson and Jermichael Finley will all be on the roster in 2011.
James Jones
#89 WR
Green Bay Packers
2010 STATS
Rec
50Yds
679TD
5Avg
13.6Long
66YAC
301Well, none of us asked Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers.
Appearing Tuesday on ESPN 540 in Milwaukee, Rodgers lobbied for
Jones' return in the strongest terms imaginable.
"James is extremely talented and he's a guy that I think we need
to bring back without a doubt," Rodgers said. "He should be
priority No. 1 and I mean that with all my heart. He really
should be priority No. 1. We don't win the Super Bowl without
him and we need him."
Asked about Jones' well-documented drops last season, Rodgers
said: "Physical mistakes can happen. Yeah, it's frustrating, but
James made a ton of big plays for us [last] season and I think
his best football is in front of him."
Whoa.
General manager Ted Thompson doesn't typically consult with
players on such matters and Rodgers admitted his job isn't to
make such decisions. But when the Super Bowl MVP speaks up
forcefully on a personnel issue, it's worth listening to. If
nothing else, we know Rodgers will be quite disappointed if
Jones moves on.
There are a number of high quality receivers available, and the
market has yet to develop. It's possible the Packers could wind
up with Jones at a bargain price. We'll see.
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