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Re: Green Bay sucks (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
DIR By: Pekin
Date: October 17, 2011, 2:12 pm
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You played one of the worst teams in the league. Let's see how
they do when they face a decent pass rushing team.
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Re: Green Bay sucks (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
DIR By: hibernationsuxs
Date: October 17, 2011, 5:24 pm
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Rodgers is definitely best player in NFL right now. However you
have to remember that he is always one play away from being out
and Packers would not be same team without him.
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Re: Green Bay sucks (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
DIR By: BearHit
Date: October 17, 2011, 6:46 pm
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As with every team
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Re: Green Bay sucks (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
DIR By: Pekin
Date: October 17, 2011, 6:53 pm
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No team would go from being so good to so bad by losing one
player the way the Packers would. Rodgers is probably the best
QB in the league right now.
Their defense is really not that good. They are able to gamble
and not worry about the big play because they know Rodgers can
go score for them. Sure Flynn could come in and be competent
but he is no Rodgers.
The Packers were really lucky to have Favre then get a guy who
is actually better then Favre. Franchise QB's do not grow on
trees. Well apparently in Green Bay they do.
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Re: Green Bay sucks (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
DIR By: navigator
Date: October 17, 2011, 9:12 pm
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I don't think they would sink to the Colts level without Rogers
but it wouldn't be too good.
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Re: Green Bay sucks (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
DIR By: Pekin
Date: October 17, 2011, 9:56 pm
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Good point. I forgot about the Colts. Man that was a drastic
fall.
I think the two teams are comparable. But yeah they dropped off
worse then the Packers would. I suppose you could make the
argument the Saints would drop off pretty badly as well with out
Brees. The Pack and Saints are probabably neck and neck there.
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Re: Green Bay sucks (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
DIR By: packrat
Date: October 18, 2011, 2:47 pm
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Tom Silverstein of the Journal Sentinel
Oct. 17, 2011 |(95) Comments
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Undefeated Packers have imperfections to fix
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PACKER INSIDER
Bob McGinn, beat writer
Green Bay - The Green Bay Packers are 6-0, but as anybody with
a basic knowledge of football can see, they are far from
perfect.
Ask any coach in the National Football League and he would love
to be standing in coach Mike McCarthy's shoes. An undefeated
team, the hottest quarterback in the game, a defense that ranks
tied for seventh for fewest points allowed.
What's not to like?
Well, at first glance everything looks pretty clean, but
underneath the surface there are underperforming areas easy to
overlook when a team is beating the likes of the Denver Broncos
(1-4) and St. Louis Rams (0-5) with the Minnesota Vikings (1-5)
on deck.
"There's some things we're doing extremely well and (we) will
continue to build off it. That's why we're winning football
games," McCarthy said Monday, a day after the Packers soundly
but unimpressively beat the St. Louis Rams, 24-3. "But there's a
number of fundamental things we need to improve on."
In describing one of those areas - the running game - McCarthy
stated that it's not exactly the way it's supposed to look right
now. That is the case in a number of areas on offense, defense
and special teams.
Here's where things aren't looking like they're supposed to:
OFFENSE
The running game has been the soft spot in an offense that
throws the ball as efficiently as any in the NFL, protects its
star quarterback, is tied for the league lead in receptions of
40 or more yards and ranks first in scoring.
The victory over the Rams begged for the Packers to come out in
the second half and dominate the game with their running attack.
Ahead, 24-3, at halftime, the Packers should have been able to
pound away on first and second down against a defense ranked
dead last in the NFL in rushing yards allowed.
Instead, their backs gained just 43 yards and three first downs
on 14 carries. From his standpoint, offensive coordinator Joe
Philbin didn't see his offensive line sustaining blocks and
giving Ryan Grant and James Starks much room to run.
"You have to block and break tackles," offensive coordinator Joe
Philbin said. "I don't want to say it's all on the offensive
linemen and that they're not blocking worth a lick. It's
certainly more than that. The run game productivity overall has
to get better."
Saying the cause was right tackle Bryan Bulaga playing in his
first game back from a knee injury or Marshall Newhouse starting
his first game at left tackle would be an excuse because there
were breakdowns all over the line.
Philbin also identified receiver drops as an issue. By the
Packers' count, there have been 10 in the past two games.
DEFENSE
The Packers give away 400 yards like banks give away pens.
They've done it three times this season, which is one more than
they did all of last season. Most of the yardage is coming
through the air and other than inside their own 20-yard line,
there doesn't seem to be much of an answer for it.
Defensive coordinator Dom Capers is playing a lot of zone to
protect cornerback Tramon Williams' sore shoulder, Charles
Woodson's bad knee and foot and Morgan Burnett's broken hand,
but it still shouldn't be that easy for teams to throw the ball
against Capers' defense.
Right now, the defense is protecting its end zone with a
vengeance, holding its opponents out of it for six straight
quarters. Atlanta scored touchdowns twice in the first half when
it got into the red zone, but St. Louis managed a field goal in
three attempts.
For the season, the Packers rank tied for fourth in the NFL in
touchdown percentage inside the 20-yard line at 38.1. They rank
tied for seventh in points allowed per game (19).
"I think you don't want to put people down in there too many
times where (they have) more opportunities," Capers said of the
red zone. "The positive part of it yesterday was getting off the
field on third and fourth down. We've had a few of those long
drives against us.
"At times, we've been able to take the ball away, which is kind
of the next phase."
Capers was not happy with the number of yards the defense gave
up on first down, which makes calling plays a lot harder for
him. He and McCarthy would both like to see better tackling.
The variable that could change things is the health of Williams,
who is limited in the amount of bump-and-run coverage he can
play. When Williams is healthy, Capers can go back to having him
lock down the opponent's top receiver and letting Woodson do his
thing.
SPECIAL TEAMS
It's pretty easy to pinpoint the problems with Shawn Slocum's
unit. It's punt coverage.
The Packers rank 31st , allowing opponents an unsightly
21.3-yard average. They have allowed returns of 17, 20, 21, 39
and 72 yards, resulting in punter Tim Masthay ranking second to
last in net average.
Some of the blame belongs to Masthay for hanging punts too close
to the middle of the field, but Sunday against the Rams, when
returns of 17 and 39 yards were allowed, Slocum was not happy
with the coverage units.
"In terms of where we are in kickoff coverage, I feel like we've
got the guys in the right spots," Slocum said. "I think we've
had pretty good production there. From a punt standpoint, I was
disappointed yesterday that we let two of those returns out of
the bag. In terms of where our personnel's lined up, I think
we're fine there."
Another concern of Slocum's is that opponents are doing a much
better job against Randall Cobb on kickoff returns. After
getting the ball beyond the 20 on every ball he returned the
first four games, Cobb has been held behind the 20 four straight
times in the last two games.
"We've got consecutive games getting tackled inside the 20,"
Slocum said. "We're going to change that. We need to do a better
job blocking."
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Re: Green Bay sucks (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
DIR By: packrat
Date: October 18, 2011, 2:54 pm
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<b>Still more injuries :-(</b>
Packers' Shields, Zombo ailing
By Tyler Dunne of the Journal Sentinel
Oct. 17, 2011 |(15) Comments
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Green Bay - This isn't good timing for either player. One was
just getting his groove back, the other had just returned from a
broken scapula.
Now, cornerback Sam Shields and outside linebacker Frank Zombo -
two undrafted heroes a year ago - both have injuries to deal
with. In the Green Bay Packers' 24-3 win over St. Louis Sunday,
Shields suffered a concussion and Zombo hyperextended his knee.
Zombo played through the injury, while Shields' injury was
painfully obvious. After picking off Sam Bradford's underthrown
fade, Shields shifted into freelance mode. The corner attempted
to take the ball out of the end zone and was lit up by receiver
Brandon Gibson.
Coach Mike McCarthy said Shields will go through mandated
concussion testing. He then must be cleared by a neutral
neurologist. After a rough start to the season, Shields has
strung together three straight games of big plays. Losing him
this week could be a blow to a secondary dependent on
interceptions.
McCarthy and Shields chatted about the interception return after
Sunday's win.
"I think he learned a lesson yesterday on the field," McCarthy
said. "You don't want to take away the aggressiveness of your
players, particularly defensive players, and our ability to
score or make big returns. You can't have it both ways
. . . Anytime you handle the football you're a
primary decision maker, whether you're a quarterback, the
running back, receiver, the ball in your hands, you have to make
good decisions."
As for Zombo, McCarthy will know more Wednesday. Considering he
played through the injury Sunday, his chances this weekend in
Minnesota would seem to be good. Zombo rotated with Erik Walden
during the Rams game - Zombo's first appearance since breaking
his scapula on Aug. 19 against the Arizona Cardinals.
Zombo didn't record any sacks or hits on Bradford but did finish
with four tackles.
"Our main emphasis on defense is red-zone defense," Zombo said.
"It's been like that since I've been here. It's bend but don't
break. When we get in that red zone, we really hunker down and
don't let teams score."
#Post#: 38575--------------------------------------------------
Re: Green Bay sucks (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
DIR By: navigator
Date: October 18, 2011, 6:34 pm
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good luck this weekend Packrat, I hope you only lose by 14
points :-)
#Post#: 38634--------------------------------------------------
Re: Green Bay sucks (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
DIR By: packrat
Date: October 19, 2011, 12:09 pm
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Ouch.
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