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       #Post#: 5420--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
   DIR By: Keysbear
       Date: May 3, 2011, 6:30 pm
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       Without a draft teams could sign anybody for any amount. High
       profile players and positions will get the big bucks (and agents
       big commissions) and the rank and file players will get the
       minimum.
       #Post#: 5427--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
   DIR By: packrat
       Date: May 3, 2011, 7:14 pm
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       As long as there is a salary cap the draft is not necessary.
       #Post#: 5432--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
   DIR By: Keysbear
       Date: May 3, 2011, 7:24 pm
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       If they get their way it will be like baseball with no salary
       cap and the richest teams buying titles.
       #Post#: 5434--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
   DIR By: Pekin
       Date: May 3, 2011, 7:30 pm
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       If Brees and Brady and the rest in that lawsuit win the draft is
       gone.  Each NFL team would have to operate as a seperate
       business.  That is what they are suing for and their lawyer has
       said as much.
       If you want all games played this year but the NFL be ruined
       forever root for the players.  If you want the NFL to continue
       to operate as it has then root for the owners.
       Packrat if they win there is no salary cap or floor or draft.
       It is open season.
       Of course the players don't want to win that lawsuit is is just
       there as leverage.  However if they win they win.  Game over the
       NFL is ruined forever and I quit watching and so will most of
       you eventually.   Who wants to see the same 4 or 5 teams in the
       Superbowl year after year after year.
       #Post#: 5509--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
   DIR By: otto105
       Date: May 3, 2011, 10:31 pm
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       Peke
       Its a lockout. The players would have played under the current
       collective bargining agreement, but jerry jones wants you to pay
       for his stadium.
       #Post#: 5510--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
   DIR By: Jackiejokeman
       Date: May 3, 2011, 10:31 pm
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       --- Quote from: WshflThinking link ---
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       > The NFL has always had a draft. I cant believe the draft will
       be history
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       --- End Quote ---
       I think the first draft was in 1934...I could be off by a year
       or two either way. NFL started in 1921.
       
       --- Quote from: Keysbear link ---
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       > If they get their way it will be like baseball with no salary
       cap and the richest teams buying titles.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Duh Raiduhs had the highest salary last season.
       Green Bay was near the bottom.
       The NEW YORK YANKEES should win the World Series every year if
       its only about money.
       Most of the time its actually about hiring a good scouting
       staff, coaching, and front office.
       #Post#: 5512--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
   DIR By: Keysbear
       Date: May 3, 2011, 10:39 pm
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       You can't predict what will happen in a 7 game series but the
       Yankees put themselves in a position to win every year by
       outspending the rest of the league.
       #Post#: 5515--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
   DIR By: Pekin
       Date: May 3, 2011, 10:52 pm
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       Otto, Jerry Jones would love for the union to win becuase then
       he gets his way.  He can spend as much as he wants to get all of
       the best players and the Packers would no be able to compete
       with him.  No more salary cap to tie his hands.
       If the Cowboys are in the Superbowl every 3 or 4 years he can
       fill that stadium and even get the NFL to allow him to host
       another one even though he fucked it up so bad this last time.
       If the union wins we all lose football as we know it.  What we
       need to happen is for both sides to get together and actually
       negotiate a deal that is good for everyone.  The players had a
       deal that was way to one sided for them this last time.  It was
       so good for the players many players who were in on the
       negotiations know how good a deal they got and have been on
       record stating so.
       The players need to give some back to the owners.  If BOTH sides
       are reasonable bothe sides will win and so will the fans.  I
       only went to the owners side when they offered a decent deal to
       the players (not the best deal the players could get) and the
       players stopped negotiating and sued.  The judge even gave them
       another shot at negotiating and they wouldn't do it.  It has
       become a pissing match and if the judges rule in the owners
       favor this next time the players are going to end up with a
       similar deal to what they could have gotten if they hadn't
       walked away from negotiating and sued.
       
       #Post#: 5518--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
   DIR By: otto105
       Date: May 3, 2011, 11:01 pm
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       Peke
       The players don't need to give anything back to the owners. Its
       the owners who want to socialize risk and privatized the profits
       of running a 9.2BILLION dollar business.
       #Post#: 5524--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Around the NFL (4.12.11 - 9.10.15)
   DIR By: Pekin
       Date: May 3, 2011, 11:16 pm
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       If you are talking about the stadiums I agree.  The public
       should not have to pay for it in taxes.  Cities and businesses
       do benefit from the people coming to the games but not enough to
       pay millions for stadiums.
       The fact is the players had a sweetheart deal they got a huge
       percentage of the profits with none of the risks.  I know you
       are a communist so won't understand this but if a person puts up
       100's of millions of dollars to run a business they deserve to
       make profits from that investment.  They should not be
       guaranteed but they should also not be so hamstrung by a labor
       agreement that they can't operate their business in a way to
       become profitbale ifthings go south.
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