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Re: BBFL 2016
By: buff Date: February 1, 2016, 8:54 pm
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Curt I think I just paid you via paypal.
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Re: BBFL 2016
By: CurtOne Date: February 1, 2016, 9:22 pm
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Yes, you did. Thank you.
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Re: BBFL 2016
By: CurtOne Date: February 1, 2016, 10:24 pm
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2016 Paid
Robb
Curt
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buff
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Re: BBFL 2016
By: ticohans Date: February 1, 2016, 10:49 pm
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[quote author=Ray link=topic=415.msg260142#msg260142
date=1454372034]
Thought I'd compare a few more guys. Top is obviously off but
that us an easy fix.
10 664 (arenado) 666 (degrom)
15 630 (cespedes) 627 (archer)
20 614 (brantley) 587 (lester)
25 595 (morales) 571 (wacha)
30 569 (jd) 553 (shields)
35 553 (eaton) 521 (chen)
I don't really see where need is to do away with batter K points
but that may just be me.
[/quote]
Ray, the thing you have to consider here is not just point
spread, but roster-ability, if that's a word. The scale for
hitters and pitchers are completely different, based on the
number of roster spots dedicated to each position, and the
number of players actually available. Not all points are created
equal. McCann was the 2nd best catcher in 2015, and he scored
428 points. Yangervis Solarte scored 457 points last year, more
than McCann, and he was basically a FA all year. Stated another
way, 100 degrees fahrenheit is NOT the same as 100 degrees
celsius.
As things are presently constructed, the 81st-95th best active
SP is the first one available on the waiver wire (all 16 teams
have 5 SP's, and some number from 1 to 16 have an SP at the UP
spot).
On the hitter side, the 245th best active hitter is the first
one available on the waiver wire (16 teams with 14 position
players each).
As our league presently scores things, the 90th best SP is a
VERY different "replacement level player" than the 245th best
hitter.
This imbalance is further complicated by the fact that we only
have 16 teams, versus the 30 that exist in the major leagues.
At 2 C's per team, we exhaust the pool of starting C's at the
major league level, and dive pretty deeply into the backup C
roles. I don't need to go further. We all know that filling the
C spots sucks.
At 1 1B and 1 CI per team (assume CI splits evenly between 1B
and 3B), that means a minimum of 24 of the 30 MLB starting 1Bmen
are rostered.
At 1 2B and 1 MI per team (assume MI splits evenly between 2B
and SS), that means a minimum of 24 of the 30 MLB starting 2Bmen
are rostered.
Carry this through all the remaining infield positions; across
the board it's 24 of 30 starting position players.
Then consider the fact that some teams do not *really* have a
"starting" 2B or 3B or whatever. There are a few roster spots in
the majors that are simply a churn of replacement level players.
So really its like 24 of 28-29 starters rostered at each
position. When you're picking the 25th of 28 guys, that's ugly.
Continue our position player consideration by moving to the OF.
With 4 OF spots and 16 teams, we roster 64 of 90 starting OFers.
This is better than the 24th of 30 starting infielders. But
given that the OF pool is much deeper, a majority teams fill
their UP spot with OFers, at present. For the sake of ease of
calculation, let's assume that ALL UPs are OFers. That means 6
OF (4 OF + 2 UP) per team, or 96 of 90 starting OFers are
rostered. This is plausible because for a number of major league
teams, the 4th OF is a more valuable fantasy baseball player
than the 25th best 2Bman.
So on the position player side, we're digging up the dregs of
each starting IF position, or diving into the 4th OF pool to
fill the UP spots.
SPs are currently disallowed from filling the UP spot, but if
they *were* allowed to be sloted as UPs, the picture changes
dramatically. Given 16 teams, and the fact that *most* fantasy
owners will roster 6 SPs (5 SP + 1 PU), the league will roster
96 pitchers. Given that there are 30 major league teams, the
97th pitcher (aka the first one available on the waiver wire) is
basically the best 4th starter in baseball. But in reality it's
even better than that, because a lot of major league teams carry
what amount to fantasy prospects in their 4th and 5th rotation
spots. As a dynasty league, many owners in a rebuilding cycle
choose to draft and keep these 4th and 5th starter "prospects"
in a play for long-term value. In this way, the 97th pitcher
(aka the first one available on the waiver wire) is really more
like a 3rd starter than a 4th.
A 3rd starter is a league average starter. The 25th best player
at any given position is decidedly *not* league average.
For all of these reasons, restricting UP-eligible players to
hitters only creates a bizarre imbalance in players available on
the waiver wire that we should address, whether by changing
scoring calculation or position eligibility (or both!), IMO.
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Re: BBFL 2016
By: Chiman Date: February 2, 2016, 4:58 am
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I agree with Tico on this one.
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Re: BBFL 2016
By: grrrrlacher Date: February 2, 2016, 6:53 am
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Curt, is it $10 again?
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Re: BBFL 2016
By: Ray Date: February 2, 2016, 8:17 am
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I'd much rather use a up spot for a pitcher than change than
change the scoring. Do we really want eaton outscoring archer?
On revere using a guy fom my own team?
I think the biggest problem comes from there just not being
enough good players, but to me it ahould be that way.
If average of even below average position players are outscoring
all but the top 10 pitchers, thats just not a change i'd like to
see.
As it stands, every team will have holes, the challenge comes in
managing those holes. I'd prefer my team not have holes but
most every sports team does. If you want realism, this is it.
Saying all this, id still like to be able to use another up spot
for pitching. Teams will carrying 12 or 13 pitchers a lot of
time. Can't remember how many we can have tho.
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Re: BBFL 2016
By: CurtOne Date: February 2, 2016, 8:43 am
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[quote author=grrrrlacher link=topic=415.msg260170#msg260170
date=1454417595]
Curt, is it $10 again?
[/quote]Yep
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Re: BBFL 2016
By: CurtOne Date: February 2, 2016, 8:44 am
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For what it's worth, if people want to allow a pitcher to be a
UP, I can live with that, but I am dead set against tinkering
with the scoring again, especially if it deals with pitcher's or
hitter's strike outs.
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Re: BBFL 2016
By: Dave23 Date: February 2, 2016, 10:16 am
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Since we strive for realism in most cases, why don't we go to a
straight 6 SP, 6 RP config? Most ML bullpens have a minimum of 6
RP's anyway.
That's 12 pitchers, 12 hitters, and 1 UP who must be a hitter.
How would that work for everyone?
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