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Re: Cubs in '16
By: AZSteve Date: October 29, 2015, 6:59 pm
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No on the "Shark"...I am intrigued by Cueto and think Zimmerman
is worth a serious look as well.
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Re: Cubs in '16
By: craig Date: October 30, 2015, 9:29 am
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I admire the Royals, and their low-K offense. That is a really
good team. A couple of thoughts:
1. Of their four primary non-DH starters, four had OBP's below
.300. Ugly.
2. KC's offense is really built on the other four guys plus the
DH. They aren't expecting the sub-.300-OBP guys to make it
happen in the postseason. Thus far, their productive starters
have carried production into the playoffs, and it's worked.
Rizzo, who was a great player all season for the Cubs, and
Bryant, didn't carry their production into the Mets series.
Next year, maybe one or more of the Royals core guys is in a
slump in the playoffs and their offense looks less admirable,
despite their low-K approach. Or next year maybe more of the
Cubs core producers are locked in and we score runs even with
the K's?
3. Moustakis improved his K-rate a lot. He reducing by 50K's
at no expense to walks or HR's. This year 76K/43BB/22HR/614 PA.
In 2012, he was 124K/39BB/20HR/614PA. Hopefully one or more of
our guys will likewise be able to tone down the K's, without
compromising HR/walks.
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Re: Cubs in '16
By: CUBluejays Date: October 30, 2015, 10:23 am
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A post over on PSD said Gammons was on the Score saying the Cubs
are interested in Gordon and will be willing to trade Soler and
Castro for pitching.
Sherman had a piece that Gordon could be looking at a 5year/$75
million deal. If that is the direction that the Cubs are going
to go I would much rather target Heyward. The cost will be much
higher, but he will likely have an opt out included so the deal
would be for less than what Gordon is going to get. Heyward is
26 vs 32 and for contact people the K% is 14.8% last year vs
21.8% for Gordon.
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Re: Cubs in '16
By: Playtwo Date: October 30, 2015, 11:01 am
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Unless Gordon can play CF, I don't get why the Cubs would be
interested.
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Re: Cubs in '16
By: CurtOne Date: October 30, 2015, 11:08 am
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[quote author=Playtwo link=topic=376.msg251112#msg251112
date=1446220864]
Unless Gordon can play CF, I don't get why the Cubs would be
interested.
[/quote]Agree. He's a terrific player, but that's not a "need."
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Re: Cubs in '16
By: CUBluejays Date: October 30, 2015, 11:32 am
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I tend to take Gammons serious when he is reporting Cubs stuff,
less so than others. Adding a corner OF would make sense if you
are going to move Schwarber to catcher or trade Soler. It would
also improve OF defense if it is Gordon or Heyward.
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Re: Cubs in '16
By: Playtwo Date: October 30, 2015, 11:40 am
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I don't see such a move as cost effective.
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Re: Cubs in '16
By: Reb Date: October 30, 2015, 12:23 pm
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Joel Sherman had a piece on Gordon this week saying Red Sox in
on Gordon and mentioned Cubs as a possibility too. Think that's
going around the rumor mill.
Of course Gordon is a fit. Great OF defense, good OBP, some
power, WS experience. If you sign him, it means Soler is gone.
Schwarber is mostly going to be in OF in 2016. So do the math.
Even if doesn't happen, interesting Cubs being linked (Heyward)
to corner OFers. Think maybe Soler will be shopped.
Sure seems like Maddon talks up Baez more than Soler and seems
doubtful both, rather than one, will be part of the plan going
forward. Maybe go with the guy who can play middle IF.
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Re: Cubs in '16
By: craig Date: October 30, 2015, 12:37 pm
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Apologist thinking here. They are considering a thousand
possibilities, so "considering" one among many doesn't prove
much. Consider Gordon, and consider Heyward, and consider
acquiring neither. Each depends on value. Usually one decision
hinges on another. Adding a corner OF makes sense if Soler
needs to be sacrificed in order to add an impact pitcher via
trade. Very contingent. Due diligence.
1. Heyward vs Gordon, why might I sign Gordon instead? Maybe
if Gordon will sign for $75/5, but Heyward will require $161/7
or $190/8. Maybe you know that Heyward loves Cardinals, wants
to stay, and Cubs may not want to overpay him excessively enough
to overcome that preference. Or maybe want shorter-commitment
guy.
2. Length: May want to avoid big-tickets that extend into the
free-agency years for our rookies. Gordon might be done while
Bryant and Schwarber are still cost-controlled; Heyward not?
3. Want a pitcher and have a budget. Occam's Razor. Most
likely they'll spend available budget and sign a FA, whether
that be Price or Greinke or Zimmerman or Cueto or Samardz or
Gallardo or Kazmir or Leake or Anderson or Happ or a Japanese
guy. But, the list is limited for guys you really want who will
make the impact you want at an age you really want, and the
price will be very high and very long.
So the indirect alternative is to trade Soler and/or Baez, and
use the budget to replace the guy you trade. Price, Gallardo,
Cueto, and Zimmerman are all 30; Samardz 31; Greinke and Kazmir
32.... If you want an impact pitcher who's less than 30 , you
need to go Japanese/international or trade. Impact
club-controlled guy in his 20's, it's going to involve at least
one impact prospect.
If they want to chase an impact trade, they've pretty much got
to include at least Baez or Soler. (I'm assuming that
Bryant/Russell/Schwarber are off limits.
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Re: Cubs in '16
By: Ron Date: October 30, 2015, 12:44 pm
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[quote author=CUBluejays link=topic=376.msg251114#msg251114
date=1446222720]
I tend to take Gammons serious when he is reporting Cubs stuff,
less so than others. Adding a corner OF would make sense if you
are going to move Schwarber to catcher or trade Soler. It would
also improve OF defense if it is Gordon or Heyward.
[/quote]
I think Gammons is somewhat more credible than others. However,
earlier this year, Gammons claimed, with certainty, that Russell
would not replace Castro at SS within the next two years. So I
wouldn't put too much credence in this report.
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