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Re: Politics, Religion, etc.
DIR By: Sportster
Date: September 18, 2015, 12:11 pm
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Trump is running on peoples anger. Lots of anger out there, but
that is no way to Govern. He'll be a flash in the pan here and
then substance will begin to win out....if not, we're in
trouble....
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Re: Politics, Religion, etc.
DIR By: otto105
Date: September 18, 2015, 3:44 pm
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Crazy Talk at the Republican Debate
By THE EDITORIAL BOARD
SEPT. 17, 2015
Eleven presidential candidates had three prime-time hours on the
national stage on Wednesday to tell the American people why they
should lead the country.
Nobody forced them to be there. They were there freely, armed
with the best arguments they and their policy advisers had come
up with, to make their cases as seasoned politicians, business
leaders and medical professionals — the Republican Party’s
“A-Team,” as one of them, Mike Huckabee, said at the outset.
And that, America, is frightening. Peel back the boasting and
insults, the lies and exaggerations common to any presidential
campaign. What remains is a collection of assertions so untrue,
so bizarre, that they form a vision as surreal as the Ronald
Reagan jet looming behind the candidates’ lecterns.
It felt at times as if the speakers were no longer living in a
fact-based world where actions have consequences, programs take
money and money has to come from somewhere. Where basic laws —
like physics and the Constitution — constrain wishes. Where
Congress and the public, allies and enemies, markets and
militaries don’t just do what you want them to, just because you
say they will.
Start with immigration, and the idea that any president could or
should engineer the mass expulsion of 11 million unauthorized
immigrants. Not one candidate said that a 21st-century trail of
tears, deploying railroad cars, federal troops and police dogs
on a continental scale, cannot happen and would be morally
obscene. Ben Carson said, “If anybody knows how to do that, that
I would be willing to listen.” They accepted the need to
“control our borders” with a 2,000-mile fence. Even Senator
Marco Rubio of Florida, once an immigration moderate, endorsed
the fence. Mr. Carson actually suggested two fences, for double
security, with a road in between. Do these people have to be
sent to the Rio Grande Valley to see how ludicrous a border
fence — over mountains, vast deserts, remote valleys and private
property — would be? And it won’t solve the problem they are
railing against, which doesn’t exist anyway. Illegal immigration
has fallen essentially to zero.
On foreign affairs, there was a lot of talk about not talking
with bad people. Senator Ted Cruz of Texas said his first act
would be to tear up the Iran deal, throwing the nuclear race
back to the ayatollahs and rupturing global alliances — but
making a point! Carly Fiorina said: “What I would do,
immediately, is begin rebuilding the Sixth Fleet, I would begin
rebuilding the missile defense program in Poland, I would
conduct regular, aggressive military exercises in the Baltic
States. I’d probably send a few thousand more troops into
Germany. Vladimir Putin would get the message.”
We get the message, and it’s scary.
Jeb Bush spun a particularly repellent fantasy. Speaking
reverently of his brother the president, he said, “He kept us
safe,” and invoked the carnage of 9/11. Wait, what? Did he mean
George W. Bush, who was warned about the threat that Al Qaeda
would attack? Who then invaded a non sequitur country, Iraq,
over a nonexistent threat?
When the A-Team got around to science and health, many of them
promised to help Americans by killing the program that gives
millions of them medical insurance. One candidate said he felt
sure that vaccines had caused an autism “epidemic.” The two
doctors on the dais did not seriously challenge that persistent,
dangerous myth.
Let loose by the CNN moderators, the candidates spun their
visions freely. Despite an abundance of serious issues to talk
about, nobody offered solutions to problems like child poverty,
police and gun violence, racial segregation, educational gaps,
competition in a global economy and crumbling infrastructure. On
looming disasters (the changing climate) and more immediate ones
(a possible government shutdown over, of all things, Planned
Parenthood), the debate offered no reassurance that grown-ups
were at the table, or even in the neighborhood.
But we did hear an idea to put Mother Teresa — Mother Teresa, a
penniless nun — on our money. Think about that.
“We were discussing disease, we were discussing all sorts of
things tonight, many of which will just be words. It will just
pass on,” one candidate said, wrapping up. “I don’t want to say
politicians, all talk, no action. But a lot of what we talked
about is words and it will be forgotten very quickly.”
Which was the smartest thing Donald Trump has said all year, and
an outcome America should dearly hope for.
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Re: Politics, Religion, etc.
DIR By: WshflThinking
Date: September 18, 2015, 3:52 pm
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Typical liberal trash talking. Something has to be done with
illegals in this country besides congratulating them and handing
them voting rights and citizenship. I haven't heard any liberal
ideas worth listening to.
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Re: Politics, Religion, etc.
DIR By: wmljohn
Date: September 18, 2015, 3:56 pm
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--- Quote ---
> it won’t solve the problem they are railing against, which
doesn’t exist anyway. Illegal immigration has fallen essentially
to zero.
--- End Quote ---
o
I had to quit reading after that. Who the fuck wrote that
stupid shit? What fucking fantasy island are they living on?
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Re: Politics, Religion, etc.
DIR By: Dave23
Date: September 18, 2015, 3:59 pm
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lol, written by "the editorial board", which essentially means
that no one wants their name on that stupid piece of shit...
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Re: Politics, Religion, etc.
DIR By: WshflThinking
Date: September 18, 2015, 4:12 pm
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Lol Et tu brute
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Re: Politics, Religion, etc.
DIR By: Jes Beard
Date: September 18, 2015, 4:39 pm
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--- Quote from: otto105 link ---
>
> Crazy Talk at the Republican Debate
> By THE EDITORIAL BOARD
> SEPT. 17, 2015
>
--- End Quote ---
otto, I suspect I am not the only one here who will not even
begin to read something you have cut and pasted without
identifying the original source. If I do not know the source,
there is no reason to waste my time on it, particularly
considering some of the sources you use for your cut and paste
posts.
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Re: Politics, Religion, etc.
DIR By: Jes Beard
Date: September 18, 2015, 4:44 pm
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--- Quote from: wmljohn link ---
>
> I had to quit reading after that. Who the fuck wrote that
stupid shit? What fucking fantasy island are they living on?
>
--- End Quote ---
You might easily disagree with the central point of the piece
(though I really don't know what that point might be since I do
not read shit from otto which lacks a source), but the part you
had highlighted and were responding to -- that "illegal
immigration has fallen essentially to zero" -- is true by a
number of metrics. The NET inflow and outflow of illegals does
appear to be roughly zero over the course of the last several
years. Now, it may be well in excess of that for certain
periods of time, and the picture in some parts of the country
may be vastly different from the picture of the country as a
whole, but so many illegals have left the U.S. in the last few
years that the NET illegal immigration has fallen to close to
zero.
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Re: Politics, Religion, etc.
DIR By: Sportster
Date: September 18, 2015, 5:28 pm
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That debate was one of the better ones I've watched, actually.
And surprisingly it was on CNN of all networks. Had to laugh at
that stupid comment about immigration as well. What a joke! This
country has been swamped with illegals, so many that they have
had to disperse them all across this Country!! It is a HUGE
problem and hence the constant discussion of it during the
debates....it needs fixed, badly! Obama's stupid A answer is to
let em all in and sort em later...if they're sorted at all. He's
such a jag it's unreal....Feb. 2017 cannot come soon enough.
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Re: Politics, Religion, etc.
DIR By: WshflThinking
Date: September 18, 2015, 5:57 pm
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Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics
Read more:
HTML http://dailycaller.com/2015/09/17/scientists-ask-obama-to-prosecute-global-warming-skeptics/#ixzz3m8MMGYda
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