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Re: Cubs in '15 (8/3 - 12/1)
DIR By: DelMarFan
Date: August 10, 2015, 5:20 pm
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> I do think that unless he falls off a cliff offensively, there
the chance of him going back to AAA to work on his catching next
spring is between slim and none.
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Yep.
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Re: Cubs in '15 (8/3 - 12/1)
DIR By: Reb
Date: August 10, 2015, 5:27 pm
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>
> If he continues to hit and gets to where multiple teams can
bid for him I would guess the prospect price would get
expensive. If the Phillies are forced to deal with only 1 team
you can still get them to pay his salary and keep the price on
prospects down. I would guess it is very unlikely they would
just let him go on a waiver claim and if they do it is $4.5
million for the rest of season and his team option is between
$5-11 million which would be less than what you would pay to
sign somebody like Kendrick.
>
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The Utley $5-11 team option point you raise beyond 2015 is a
really good point.
Missed that. It means that he is not necessarily a rental player
only and, even more importantly, can be controlled for 2016 at a
relatively favorable market price---with one big caveat: that
he's actually a good player. But, as a club option, so club can
decide on the risk. (Not sure, but seems like the 2017 $15
option can still be triggered if gets 500 PAs in 2016, if 2016
option is taken in some form. So, perhaps still a risky
long-term obligation).
So, yes, as a potential controllable non-rental player, trade
price could be higher.
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Re: Cubs in '15 (8/3 - 12/1)
DIR By: Chris27
Date: August 10, 2015, 5:28 pm
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Re: Cubs in '15 (8/3 - 12/1)
DIR By: Jes Beard
Date: August 10, 2015, 5:33 pm
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> The Utley $5-11 team option point you raise beyond 2015 is a
really good point.
>
> Missed that. It means that he is not necessarily a rental
player only and, even more importantly, can be controlled for
2016 at a relatively favorable market price-
>
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It is not a very favorable price for an OPS in the mid .500s.
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Re: Cubs in '15 (8/3 - 12/1)
DIR By: davep
Date: August 10, 2015, 5:39 pm
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I think that it is reasonable to believe that if the Cubs front
office believes that Utley will have a .550 OPS over the next 6
weeks, they might not try to get him.
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Re: Cubs in '15 (8/3 - 12/1)
DIR By: Reb
Date: August 10, 2015, 5:45 pm
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Jury is still out defensively on Schwarber as a LFer too. Can
tell just a little bit so far in LF but still quite possible he
will be lousy there as we see more.
My assumption a month ago was that he probably would be a poor
LFer, if he played there. Who wants a lousy LFer, from a
defensive standpoint?
But, if he's actually pretty good in LF--IF--think that becomes
a factor--A factor--in where he plays. Have to balance that with
whatever progress he makes as a catcher, along with the wear and
tear/injury factor.
The better a hitter he actually is, the more likely the pendulum
swings toward LF, I think. See Bryce Harper--sure would be
awesome for Nats to get that offense from a catcher, but why
fool around. Just let the guy hit, jeez.
The overwhelming majority of the big-time offensive
catchers--Bench, Posey, Mauer, Fisk, Berra--were natural
catchers. Yes, Piazza maybe was an exception but Piazza was
better defensively early-on than Schwarber is now.
Not advocating a position one way or the other now. Too early.
Just pointing out the factors for consideration and guessing
what Cubs might do if certain things happen.
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Re: Cubs in '15 (8/3 - 12/1)
DIR By: Chris27
Date: August 10, 2015, 5:48 pm
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> One scout this week dropped a great comp on Schwarber: a
left-handed-only Lance Berkman. The swing path, he said, is very
similar from the left side, where the switch-hitting Berkman did
most of his damage. While neither was particularly agile or
athletic, enough exists not to move the 22-year-old Schwarber to
first base, which would lessen the impact of his bat. At
catcher, Schwarber is a superstar. Even a league-average hitter
at the position is hugely valuable, something …
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Re: Cubs in '15 (8/3 - 12/1)
DIR By: JR
Date: August 10, 2015, 5:51 pm
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[Quote author=Ron]Whoa![/quote]
Yeah, no kidding. Bryant's looked the part of a guy who can
stick at third.
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Re: Cubs in '15 (8/3 - 12/1)
DIR By: JR
Date: August 10, 2015, 5:54 pm
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One thing that I've kind of thought has been interesting is how
wrong some high school/college scouting reports can be about how
likely it is someone can stick at their position in the majors.
Bryant and Baez are obvious examples. All of DJ Lemahieu's
defensive scouting reports in college were all bad, but he's now
a Gold Glove second baseman. Schwarber wasn't supposed to be
able to stick at catcher, but he's apparently getting good marks
as a receiver.
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Re: Cubs in '15 (8/3 - 12/1)
DIR By: Reb
Date: August 10, 2015, 6:05 pm
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By the way, everybody might want to read that Bryant piece
posted earlier.
Really helps to appreciate the constant adjustments that even
the most promising hitters face in big leagues. As Maddon says
in the piece, all about the PROCESS of learning how to adjust.
Constant adjustments, even within a single AB. Happens in the
big leagues.
What players learn in minors, I think is, at best, how to
address the process of adjustment--how to think about it--not so
much any particular adjustment. Remember the hoopla a couple
weeks ago about the Baez adjustment? A minor thing if it's only
about some mechanical thingy. But, if he learns something about
the process of adjusting, could be a good baby step going
forward.
Not about "dominating" some level in minors but learning how to
approach the process of adjustments that happen in big leagues.
Can happen at any age for the really good ones.
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