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Re: Cubs in '15 (8/3 - 12/1)
DIR By: CUBluejays
Date: August 3, 2015, 3:37 pm
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Honestly I think it would be something Hendricks, Baez, Torres
to get him.
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Re: Cubs in '15 (8/3 - 12/1)
DIR By: guest61
Date: August 3, 2015, 3:39 pm
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Sign me up then.
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Re: Cubs in '15 (8/3 - 12/1)
DIR By: CUBluejays
Date: August 3, 2015, 3:45 pm
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That might not be enough either.
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Re: Cubs in '15 (8/3 - 12/1)
DIR By: CurtOne
Date: August 3, 2015, 4:00 pm
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You don't need near that if Smurf is trading him. (JK Smurf)
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Re: Cubs in '15 (8/3 - 12/1)
DIR By: Reb
Date: August 3, 2015, 4:02 pm
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--- Quote from: CUBluejays link ---
>
> Honestly I think it would be something Hendricks, Baez, Torres
to get him.
>
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Don't think would have to give up Torres. A's already have a
phenom teenage SS--Franklin Barreto in Class A and they wouldn't
push too hard asking Cubs to give up TWO shortstops. Smart GMs
understand how much to push if really want to deal.
As to Baez, he would have to look really good final two months
of season to be a centerpiece, which I expect. As to his Ks,
keep in mind that his BR 162-game K pace with Cubs last season
was 296!! So, to project him at 180--a 100+ K reduction, is
giving him every benefit of the doubt. Think he is a near-lock
to be there, optimistically.
Don't think Hendricks either. Just creates another hole in Cubs
rotation and doubt Beane all that keen about a #4 type guy
moving to DH AL. Theo talks about reverse AL to NL frequently
and you can be sure Beane thinks same, especially for
Hendricks-type. Don't think his inclusion works that well for
either club.
Think a rising-in-stature Baez, McKinney back-to-A's, Underwood.
Alternatively, move Pierre Johnson up to AAA today and if he's
really good for those 5-6 starts--on top of his recent excellent
work at AA--he becomes a factor. Maybe that-Johnson and a 4th
guy. Lot can happen in remainder of season that impacts trade
value. If Baez plays poorly rest of season, whole thing probably
unrealistic.
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Re: Cubs in '15 (8/3 - 12/1)
DIR By: Reb
Date: August 3, 2015, 4:07 pm
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By the way, Sonny Gray is not even yet arb eligible in 2016.
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Re: Cubs in '15 (8/3 - 12/1)
DIR By: Reb
Date: August 3, 2015, 4:30 pm
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Fowler since all-star break: 305-461-458.
Things change. Perceptions change.
162 game season.
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Re: Cubs in '15 (8/3 - 12/1)
DIR By: CUBluejays
Date: August 3, 2015, 4:51 pm
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--- Quote from: Reb link ---
>
> Think a rising-in-stature Baez, McKinney back-to-A's,
Underwood. Alternatively, move Pierre Johnson up to AAA today
and if he's really good for those 5-6 starts--on top of his
recent excellent work at AA--he becomes a factor. Maybe
that-Johnson and a 4th guy. Lot can happen in remainder of
season that impacts trade value. If Baez plays poorly rest of
season, whole thing probably unrealistic.
>
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That doesn't even get you in the ball park and trading for him
is unrealistic.
If Baez shows enough at the major league to regain trade value,
no way people will want to trade him. But even a rebounded
Baez, McKinney, Underwood isn't going to get him. Gray is going
to give you 4 years at well an AAV of $10 million. He has an
insane value. Beane made a weird trade with Donaldson, but Grey
has much more value. Trading for him would be very, very
painful.
Barreto is supposed to be unlikely to play SS long term.
To put is some $ terms. Gray is going to a roughly 5 fWAR
pitcher this year. If he does that for 4 years at $8
million/WAR that is a $160 million value. Let's overshoot his
arbitation salaries and go $.5, $4, $10, $20. These numbers are
way to high, but that is $34.5 million over 4 years. His excess
value is $125.5 million. Hamels brought back 3 top 100 guys
with maybe half that excess value.
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Re: Cubs in '15 (8/3 - 12/1)
DIR By: grrrrlacher
Date: August 3, 2015, 4:51 pm
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I don't see why A's would even entertain trading Gray.
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Re: Cubs in '15 (8/3 - 12/1)
DIR By: brjones
Date: August 3, 2015, 4:57 pm
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Richard DFA, Szczur up.
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