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#Post#: 176328--------------------------------------------------
Re: Politics, Religion, etc. (4.15.14 - 9.10.15)
DIR By: otto105
Date: April 17, 2014, 7:06 pm
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Keep the women and children out front...
#Post#: 176333--------------------------------------------------
Re: Politics, Religion, etc. (4.15.14 - 9.10.15)
DIR By: WshflThinking
Date: April 17, 2014, 7:54 pm
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JJ apparently you don't want those plane pics. I sent you a
message above to show you how it works.
#Post#: 176336--------------------------------------------------
Re: Politics, Religion, etc. (4.15.14 - 9.10.15)
DIR By: davep
Date: April 17, 2014, 8:08 pm
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--- Quote from: WshflThinking link ---
>
> The issue at stake really is the land rights that go back to
the 1880's which is the source of the disagreement. That issue
should be brought before the Supreme Court. Its like the old
Spanish land grants. Some of those claims aren't honored.
>
--- End Quote ---
The issue at stake is the Endangered Species Act, which HAS been
before the courts. And the family has taken it to court and
lost three separate times. Their cases may well work their way
up to the Supreme Court, but until then, they have to obey the
law like the rest of us.
Just because they have been using Federal Land for a long period
of time does not give them ownership in it, absent any Federal
law that does so. And even if they had such a right, the fact
that they have not paid grazing rights for almost two decades
certainly would have ended that right.
The Constitution gives the Federal Government the authority to
manage Federal Lands. If they do not like the way it is being
managed, they can try to win in court.
#Post#: 176337--------------------------------------------------
Re: Politics, Religion, etc. (4.15.14 - 9.10.15)
DIR By: Pekin
Date: April 17, 2014, 8:21 pm
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Legally the Bundy's don't have a leg to stand on. Place a lien
and be done with it. No need to bring in a bunch of armed men,
taze people, and spend tax dollars rounding up cattle. They are
not endangering anyone.
Cattle do not trample tortoise, they go around them. However
the ATV's that can run on the land do not.
#Post#: 176339--------------------------------------------------
Re: Politics, Religion, etc. (4.15.14 - 9.10.15)
DIR By: WshflThinking
Date: April 17, 2014, 8:50 pm
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--- Quote from: davep link ---
>
> The issue at stake is the Endangered Species Act, which HAS
been before the courts. And the family has taken it to court
and lost three separate times. Their cases may well work their
way up to the Supreme Court, but until then, they have to obey
the law like the rest of us.
>
> Just because they have been using Federal Land for a long
period of time does not give them ownership in it, absent any
Federal law that does so. And even if they had such a right,
the fact that they have not paid grazing rights for almost two
decades certainly would have ended that right.
>
> The Constitution gives the Federal Government the authority to
manage Federal Lands. If they do not like the way it is being
managed, they can try to win in court.
>
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But that land used to be state land and it was taken over by the
Feds. And he was paying grazing rights to the state, but not the
Feds
#Post#: 176345--------------------------------------------------
Re: Politics, Religion, etc. (4.15.14 - 9.10.15)
DIR By: Pekin
Date: April 17, 2014, 9:16 pm
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He claims he would have continued to pay the state but no one
would take the money. Regardless he is an idiot for not paying
the grazing rights and endangering his family.
He is not the only one though. There are many ranchers who
refuse to pay.
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Re: Politics, Religion, etc. (4.15.14 - 9.10.15)
DIR By: WshflThinking
Date: April 17, 2014, 9:54 pm
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There is another rancher who has taken the Govt to court and
won. Apparently they are using the same tactics with all the
ranchers and this Fed judge Jones came down hard on the Feds.
#Post#: 176363--------------------------------------------------
Re: Politics, Religion, etc. (4.15.14 - 9.10.15)
DIR By: otto105
Date: April 18, 2014, 12:22 am
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Nice reach, the cases are not the same.
#Post#: 176370--------------------------------------------------
Re: Politics, Religion, etc. (4.15.14 - 9.10.15)
DIR By: Jes Beard
Date: April 18, 2014, 5:49 am
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--- Quote from: otto105 link ---
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> From the Nevada Constitution.
>
> Atlantic contributor Matt Ford pointed out Monday that Article
1, Section 2 of the Nevada Constitution directly contradicts
Bundy’s actions:
>
>
> “... Whensoever any portion of the States, or people thereof
attempt to secede from the Federal Union, or forcibly resist the
Execution of its laws, the Federal Government may, by warrant of
the Constitution, employ armed force in compelling obedience to
its Authority.”
> Bundy isn’t upholding state sovereignty—he’s upholding his own
personal conception of state sovereignty.
>
> Can any of you olde white militia types explain what olde
clive is standing in?
>
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That provision of the Nevada constitution is only relevant if
someone in Nevada is attempting to secede from the federal
government. When is it that Bundy said he was trying to do
that?
#Post#: 176372--------------------------------------------------
Re: Politics, Religion, etc. (4.15.14 - 9.10.15)
DIR By: Sportster
Date: April 18, 2014, 7:14 am
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I don't know the true specifics of this case, as do none of us,
but for me I'm glad to see folks standing up to this out of
control Government. There need to be checks and balances in this
and this was a time when the people 'checked' the Government and
basically said 'Enough! You've come so far, you'll go no
further!'. I like that....otherwise we're not a Government for
the people, but to control the people.....
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