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#Post#: 176602--------------------------------------------------
Re: Politics, Religion, etc. (4.15.14 - 9.10.15)
DIR By: davep
Date: April 19, 2014, 8:00 pm
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--- Quote from: WshflThinking link ---
>
> I am not in disagreement that they are in the wrong for not
paying the Federal fees. Its my belief that they claim their
land and grazing rights go back to the days when it was under
state control and jurisdiction, like a preexisting condition, or
kinda like the old Spanish land grants. Bundy was paying the
grazing fees to the state prior to the Feds taking over.
>
> I think this movement to reacquire states rights to this
Federal land, if it takes hold, will stop all this problem Bundy
is having. Other ranchers have also had their share of problems
with BLM, and other Federal agencies
>
--- End Quote ---
There is no such thing as preexisting conditions in leasing land
from the Government. When he stopped paying the lease fees to
the legal owner, he forfeited any rights that he might have had
contractually.
I don't like the concentration of power in the Federal
Government. But the way to end it, other than through the
courts, is through the vote.
#Post#: 176605--------------------------------------------------
Re: Politics, Religion, etc. (4.15.14 - 9.10.15)
DIR By: Pekin
Date: April 19, 2014, 8:27 pm
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This guy knows he does not have a leg to stand on legally. He
did this to try and get the state to step up and take back the
land.
It is probably the only shot his family has of keeping the ranch
viable after he passes. Or to keep it at all because more then
likely the Feds already have a lien on the property.
These people are not complete idiots. I am sure they have
talked to lawyers, gone over their options and know that the
Feds have them painted into a corner. Sometimes when you have
no options left you take a bold one and hope for the best.
#Post#: 176613--------------------------------------------------
Re: Politics, Religion, etc. (4.15.14 - 9.10.15)
DIR By: Jackiejokeman
Date: April 19, 2014, 11:02 pm
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North American P-51 Mustang
What is aircraft and what is art ? This defines both.
Picasso wished he could have painted this.
Notice the huge propeller on such a small plane.
Thats the Rolls-Royce Merlin engine doing its job.
My friend who flew one of these said it fit you like a glove.
But he liked the P-47 razorback more because he felt safer.
And could pull out of a dive faster with the extra sheetmetal
over the bubble top versions of the P-47 & P-51.
[img
alt=P-51]
HTML http://www.mustangsmustangs.com/p-51/p51pics/air2air.jpg[/img]
HTML http://www.mustangsmustangs.com/p-51/?images/air2air
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Re: Politics, Religion, etc. (4.15.14 - 9.10.15)
DIR By: Jackiejokeman
Date: April 19, 2014, 11:15 pm
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Junkers JU-88
This one was kind of in a class of its own ... fighter bomber ?
Bomber ?
Night fighter ? It did everything.
[img alt=Bundesarchiv Bild 101I-363-2258-11, Flugzeug Junkers
Ju 88.jpg width=300
height=193]
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Re: Politics, Religion, etc. (4.15.14 - 9.10.15)
DIR By: Jackiejokeman
Date: April 19, 2014, 11:25 pm
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Hawker Hurricane
The back of this plane was made from wood and fabric.
It shot down more German airplanes then the Spitfire in the
battle of Britain.
[img alt=Hurricane mk1 r4118 fairford arp.jpg width=300
height=195]
HTML http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/28/Hurricane_mk1_r4118_fairford_arp.jpg/300px-Hurricane_mk1_r4118_fairford_arp.jpg[/img]
HTML http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hurricane_mk1_r4118_fairford_arp.jpg
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#Post#: 176617--------------------------------------------------
Re: Politics, Religion, etc. (4.15.14 - 9.10.15)
DIR By: Jackiejokeman
Date: April 19, 2014, 11:35 pm
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While we were busy trying to get us out of the mess we were in
...
like with declaring WAR and all that shit ... and how to fight
back ...
this kept the pagans at bay ... A classic.
Curtis P-40 Warhawk.
[img alt=Curtiss P-40E Warhawk 2 USAF.jpg width=300
height=212]
HTML http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/33/Curtiss_P-40E_Warhawk_2_USAF.jpg/300px-Curtiss_P-40E_Warhawk_2_USAF.jpg[/img]
HTML http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Curtiss_P-40E_Warhawk_2_USAF.jpg
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#Post#: 176618--------------------------------------------------
Re: Politics, Religion, etc. (4.15.14 - 9.10.15)
DIR By: Jackiejokeman
Date: April 19, 2014, 11:54 pm
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Here it is Wsh,
Just when you thought it was safe to back into a bed instead of
a foxhole ...
you had to get into one of these ...
Boeing B-17 Flying Fortress
[img alt=Color Photographed B-17E in Flight.jpg width=300
height=197]
HTML http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Color_Photographed_B-17E_in_Flight.jpg/300px-Color_Photographed_B-17E_in_Flight.jpg[/img]
HTML http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Color_Photographed_B-17E_in_Flight.jpg
At 30000 feet at -60 degrees wearing a flak jacket with an
oxygen mask freezing to your face while trying to fly in
formation ...
Nope Wsh ... we can imagine hell ... but we never lived thru
hell.
They did this for us.
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#Post#: 176621--------------------------------------------------
Re: Politics, Religion, etc. (4.15.14 - 9.10.15)
DIR By: Pekin
Date: April 20, 2014, 12:15 am
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The greatest generation fought and died for our freedom as well
as other nations. Now they are giving it away and we are also.
It is pathetic and sad.
#Post#: 176622--------------------------------------------------
Re: Politics, Religion, etc. (4.15.14 - 9.10.15)
DIR By: Jackiejokeman
Date: April 20, 2014, 12:30 am
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The Chance Vought F4U Corsair was an American fighter
aircraft
HTML http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fighter_aircraft
that saw service
primarily in World War II
HTML http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II
and the Korean War
HTML http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_War.
Demand for the aircraft
HTML http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft
soon overwhelmed Vought
HTML http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vought's
manufacturing capability,
resulting in production by Goodyear and Brewster: Goodyear
HTML http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodyear_Tire_and_Rubber_Company-built<br
/>Corsairs were designated FG and Brewster
HTML http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brewster_Aeronautical_Corporation-built<br
/>aircraft F3A.
From the first prototype delivery to the U.S. Navy in 1940, to
final delivery in 1953 to the French, 12,571 F4U Corsairs were
manufactured by Vought, in 16 separate models,
in the longest production run of any piston-engined fighter in
U.S. history (1942–53).
The Corsair was designed as a carrier-based aircraft
HTML http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier-based_aircraft.
However its
difficult carrier landing performance rendered the Corsair
unsuitable for Navy use until the carrier landing issues were
overcome when used by the British Fleet Air Arm
HTML http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fleet_Air_Arm.
The Corsair thus came to and retained prominence in its area of
greatest deployment, land based use by the U.S. Marines
HTML http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Marines.
The role of the dominant U.S. carrier based fighter in the
second part of the war was thus filled by the Grumman F6F
Hellcat
HTML http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_F6F_Hellcat.
The Corsair served to a lesser degree in the U.S. Navy. As well
as the U.S. and British use the Corsair was also used by the
Royal New Zealand Air Force
HTML http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_New_Zealand_Air_Force,
the
French Navy
HTML http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Navy
Aéronavale
HTML http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aviation_navale
and other, smaller,
air forces until the 1960s.
Some Japanese pilots regarded it as the most formidable
American fighter of World War II, and the U.S. Navy counted an
11:1 kill ratio with the F4U Corsair.
After the carrier landing issues had been tackled it quickly
became the most capable carrier-based fighter-bomber
HTML http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fighter-bomber
of World War II.
The Corsair served almost exclusively as a fighter-bomber
throughout the Korean War and during the French colonial wars in
Indochina
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and Algeria
HTML http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algerian_War.
[img alt=Vought F4U Corsair (USMC).jpg width=300
height=199]
HTML http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/66/Vought_F4U_Corsair_%28USMC%29.jpg/300px-Vought_F4U_Corsair_%28USMC%29.jpg[/img]
HTML http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Vought_F4U_Corsair_(USMC).jpg
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#Post#: 176626--------------------------------------------------
Re: Politics, Religion, etc. (4.15.14 - 9.10.15)
DIR By: Jes Beard
Date: April 20, 2014, 9:32 am
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--- Quote from: davep link ---
>
> I don't like the concentration of power in the Federal
Government. But the way to end it, other than through the
courts, is through the vote.
>
--- End Quote ---
Yeah, too bad no one was able to persuade Adams and Jefferson
and Washington and those other wingnuts of that back in the
1770's.
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