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#Post#: 164826--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in '14
By: guest61 Date: January 17, 2014, 8:36 pm
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But Jes is always right and he especially loves to disagree with
me Dave. I thought you knew that?
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Re: Cubs in '14
By: davep Date: January 17, 2014, 8:39 pm
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No reason to consider yourself to be special. Jes disagrees
with everyone.
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Re: Cubs in '14
By: brjones Date: January 17, 2014, 9:43 pm
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I've seen several tweets tonight about Samardzija saying
something like "If Tanaka signs, the 'R word' [rebuilding] kind
of disintegrates." It almost sounds like he's saying it'll be
easier to get him to stick around long term if the Cubs get
Tanaka.
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Re: Cubs in '14
By: brjones Date: January 17, 2014, 9:46 pm
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And here's the actual quote, courtesy of Muskat:
[quote author=Jeff Samardzija]
Obviously, it changes that timeline. I've mentioned my
frustration with that 'R' word [rebuilding] before. You bring
him in and that 'R' word essentially disintegrates.
[/quote]
#Post#: 164837--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in '14
By: CUBluejays Date: January 17, 2014, 9:56 pm
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This is a $20 million pitcher over the last 2 years, Tim
Lincecum
20-29, K% 23, BB% 10, ERA- 132, FIP- 109, xFIP- 96, SIERA 3.86,
ERA 4.76, FIP 3.95, xFIP 3.68 fWAR 2.5
Giants record 170-154.
Samardzija
17-26, K% 24.1, BB% 8.2, ERA- 103, FIP- 93, xFIP- 89, SIERA
3.51, ERA 4.10, FIP 3.67, xFIP 3.42, fWAR 5.8
Cubs 127-197
People need to realize that we are going to see a lot of wage
inflation that we haven't seen for a long time.
#Post#: 164839--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in '14
By: Jes Beard Date: January 17, 2014, 10:21 pm
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[quote author=davep link=topic=119.msg164827#msg164827
date=1390012772]
No reason to consider yourself to be special. Jes disagrees
with everyone.
[/quote]
At times, yes. And at other times virtually everyone here has
posted something I have agreed with, and on which I have posted
my agreement (even the idiot otto). I neither agree with nor
disagree with any post or idea simply because of who posts it or
who presents the idea.
As to believing Smardj would get 20M/year if he were now a FA,
who is a comparably aged pitcher, with a comparable track record
who has signed a multi year contract for $20M/year? I can't
think of any. I can't think of any who have even gotten
15M/year.
#Post#: 164841--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in '14
By: Jes Beard Date: January 17, 2014, 10:26 pm
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[quote author=CUBluejays link=topic=119.msg164837#msg164837
date=1390017391]
This is a $20 million pitcher over the last 2 years, Tim
Lincecum
20-29, K% 23, BB% 10, ERA- 132, FIP- 109, xFIP- 96, SIERA 3.86,
ERA 4.76, FIP 3.95, xFIP 3.68 fWAR 2.5
Giants record 170-154.
Samardzija
17-26, K% 24.1, BB% 8.2, ERA- 103, FIP- 93, xFIP- 89, SIERA
3.51, ERA 4.10, FIP 3.67, xFIP 3.42, fWAR 5.8
Cubs 127-197
People need to realize that we are going to see a lot of wage
inflation that we haven't seen for a long time.
[/quote]
Lincecum's track record is a bit longer than the last 2 years,
and includes a good deal more success than Smardj.
Additionally, the value of a player includes not only the
player's ability to help a team win games, but to fill seats. I
suspect there are far more fans willing to pay to see Lincecum
pitch than who are willing to pay to see Smardj pitch.
#Post#: 164843--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in '14
By: CUBluejays Date: January 17, 2014, 10:44 pm
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Well since Smardzija has only been starting for the last 2
years, it makes it kind of hard to compare him to starters
before that. If you want to pay more for past performance go
ahead, but it isn't always a great idea.
Zach Greinke has 7.7 fWAR over the past 2 years, 1.9 more than
Samardzjia and has a AAV of 24.5 million.
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Re: Cubs in '14
By: Deeg Date: January 17, 2014, 11:32 pm
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It's kind of deceptive to pick out Lincicum, a guy obviously on
the decline. There are also a lot of pitchers a lot better than
Shark making less than $20 million.
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Re: Cubs in '14
By: CUBluejays Date: January 18, 2014, 7:37 am
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You are going to have to look at the guys that have signed in
the last year or so, because I believe we are just at the
beginning of a salary explosion. So looking at guys that signed
even 2 years ago won't be fair. Plus he asked for any examples.
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