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       #Post#: 165348--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Cubs in '14
   DIR By: droe411
       Date: January 22, 2014, 11:51 am
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       Build a new stadium. Find somewhere they can do what they want.
       If they are serious about winning then the fans will follow. I
       for one don't care all that much about Wrigley field. Screw the
       roof top owners.
       #Post#: 165349--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Cubs in '14
   DIR By: CUBluejays
       Date: January 22, 2014, 11:52 am
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       Kenney was part of the Tribune team that did the deal.  I
       believe they were getting a lot of bad press about putting up
       those stupid green fence.
       #Post#: 165364--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Cubs in '14
   DIR By: CurtOne
       Date: January 22, 2014, 12:32 pm
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       Build a new stadium, do one or two series a year at Wrigley for
       nostalgia...it would be packed...and the rest at the new
       stadium.  I think the point that the Cub games are not the
       property of the rooftop owners is a good one.  Love the
       rooftops, but the owners took the risk when they improved those
       buildings and built their bleachers, etc., when they did it.
       What good is it all if the Cubs move?  Same as if they put up
       view blocking scoreboards.
       #Post#: 165369--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Cubs in '14
   DIR By: Ron
       Date: January 22, 2014, 12:46 pm
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       Ultimately the Cubs have the final leverage over the rooftop
       owners.  Not only would the Cubs moving deprive the owners of
       any of their revenue, it would plummet the value of their
       buildings.  In part because of that fact, I don't expect the
       Cubs to move. It would be suicidal for the rooftop owners to
       place the team in a position in which they believed that became
       necessary.
       At this point the city has (slowly but finally) made the
       concessions it needed to make in order to warrant the Ricketts
       family making their investment in the ballpark.  The only
       obstacle now is the rooftop owners (and apparently primarily two
       owners).  We'll see just how far the other rooftop owners are
       willing to take their case.
       The Sun-Times story indicated that the Cubs plan to go ahead
       with construction of the Right Field sign. That would seem to
       represent something of a silver lining in this mess.
       #Post#: 165383--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Cubs in '14
   DIR By: JR
       Date: January 22, 2014, 2:33 pm
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       --- Quote from: droe411 link ---
       >
       > Build a new stadium. Find somewhere they can do what they
       want. If they are serious about winning then the fans will
       follow. I for one don't care all that much about Wrigley field.
       Screw the roof top owners.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       I have to admit, just looking at the new renderings of Wrigley
       after the renovations, it's going to be so commercialized that I
       think a lot of the charm is going to be taken away.
       If you're just going to have a big corporate revenue generator
       instead of the Wrigley we all grew up with, you may as well just
       go do it right and build a ballpark for that purpose.
       #Post#: 165385--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Cubs in '14
   DIR By: Ron
       Date: January 22, 2014, 2:43 pm
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       --- Quote from: JR link ---
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       > I have to admit, just looking at the new renderings of Wrigley
       after the renovations, it's going to be so commercialized that I
       think a lot of the charm is going to be taken away.
       >
       > If you're just going to have a big corporate revenue generator
       instead of the Wrigley we all grew up with, you may as well just
       go do it right and build a ballpark for that purpose.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Gee, after so enthusiastically praising JR a little while ago,
       he goes and makes me disagree with him. I actually live less
       than 1.5 miles from Wrigley Field and have attended many, many
       games there.  The changes will certainly make the ballpark look
       different, but I don't think they'll undermine the essential
       qualities of the park at all.  In fact, having a Jumbotron where
       you can see replays and such will enhance the experience of even
       the most traditional fan.  My guess is that the changes will be
       taken for granted within two or three years of their
       installation.
       #Post#: 165386--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Cubs in '14
   DIR By: craig
       Date: January 22, 2014, 2:53 pm
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       Building a new ballpark is kind of expensive.  That might put
       the Rickets plan back another dozen years before they are
       generating revenue and paying off their investment expenses.
       #Post#: 165400--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Cubs in '14
   DIR By: Jes Beard
       Date: January 22, 2014, 4:43 pm
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       --- Quote from: craig link ---
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       > Building a new ballpark is kind of expensive.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       In terms of understatement, that may rival the suggestion that
       the homerun is a somewhat efficient way of scoring runs.
       #Post#: 165405--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Cubs in '14
   DIR By: guest61
       Date: January 22, 2014, 5:17 pm
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       And truthfully who in the hell wants to tear down Wrigley
       anyway?
       Screw the rooftop owners and feed em fishheads.
       Do what's best for the Cubs and be damned with what the rooftop
       owners want.
       #Post#: 165406--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Cubs in '14
   DIR By: craig
       Date: January 22, 2014, 5:23 pm
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       Some of you know much better than I do.  But I know where I
       live, when it's a residential neighborhood, a business or in my
       situation a church can't do much of anything if neighbors
       oppose.  Different story in a business district.  The logic that
       the Cubs should and can just do what they want seems to make
       sense.  But if it was legal, they'd have done that a long time
       ago.
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