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#Post#: 5067--------------------------------------------------
Re: Politics, Religion, etc. etc.
By: Robb Date: May 1, 2011, 10:22 pm
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Good-bye and good riddance
#Post#: 5089--------------------------------------------------
Re: Politics, Religion, etc. etc.
By: CurtOne Date: May 2, 2011, 7:08 am
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Monday morning quarterbacking:
Is it significant that he was killed by American forces without
Pakistani help?
Is it significant that Pakistan with one of the most thorough
and feared intelligence networks in the world couldn't find a
guy hiding in a mansion?
Is it significant that we knew where he was since October but we
didn't order his demise until the President's rating was at an
all time low?
How long will it be before our enemies claim he's really alive
and we got the wrong guy?
Who's the devil we don't know that will now take over the
network?
#Post#: 5092--------------------------------------------------
Re: Politics, Religion, etc. etc.
By: BearHit Date: May 2, 2011, 7:44 am
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You only know what your govt wants you to know...
#Post#: 5094--------------------------------------------------
Re: Politics, Religion, etc. etc.
By: Tom Hudson Date: May 2, 2011, 8:13 am
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Is it significant that we knew where he was since October but we
didn't order his demise until the President's rating was at an
all time low? (Curt)
I normally avoid the Politics & Religion forum. I decided to
visit it today to see whether anyone managed to find a way of
turning Osama Bin Ladin's death into a way to criticize Obama.
Realizing that the irrationality of some Obama haters knows no
bounds, I figured someone here would find a way, even though it
would take some exceptional mental gymnastics.
Sure enough, the first attempt has been posted. I admit I didn't
expect it come from Curt, though.
Not that it will make any difference, but here are some facts
that were ignored in this post.
First, it was not known that Bin Ladin was at this location last
October. That's when attention focused on the building, based
on a courier being tracked to there. There was a suspicion that
a major leader was there, and since that time, American
intelligence forces conducting substantial monitoring
operations. See below from the NY Times.
Still, it was not until August when they tracked him to the
coumpound in Abbotabad, a medium-sized city about an hour's
drive north of Islamabad, the capital.
C.I.A. analysts spent the next several weeks examining satellite
photos and intelligence reports to determine who might be living
at the compound, and a senior administration official said that
by September the C.I.A. had determined there was a "strong
possibility" that Bin Laden himself was hiding there.
...
Months more of intelligence work would follow before American
spies felt highly confident that it was indeed Bin Laden and his
family who were hiding in there - and before President Obama
determined that the intelligence was solid enough to begin
planning a mission to go after the Qaeda leader.
On March 14, Mr. Obama held the first of what would be five
national security meetings in the course of the next six eeks to
go over plans for the operation.
Secondly, Obama's poll numbers were actually lower in
October/November than currently. You can check the Real Clear
Politics site for a graph showing this.
HTML http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html
HTML http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html
Not that such facts will make any difference.
#Post#: 5095--------------------------------------------------
Re: Politics, Religion, etc. etc.
By: CurtOne Date: May 2, 2011, 8:20 am
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Tom, I'm skeptical of all politicians. I would have asked the
same question if this had happened during Bush's second term
when his poll numbers were in the toilet.
More importantly, of all the questions I asked, the one about
the President was the least important. Actually, I thought our
President acquitted himself quite well on television regarding
this event last night.
Paranoia does not become you. :)
#Post#: 5098--------------------------------------------------
Re: Politics, Religion, etc. etc.
By: Tom Hudson Date: May 2, 2011, 8:41 am
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I'm not the one who is paranoid. You wrote what you wrote.
It was based on two specific allegations that were false. If
you care about being accurate, you really ought to address that.
People make mistakes (for whatever reason). If your suspicions
about Obama were based on honest mistakes, it would be good for
you to acknowledge those and perhaps to apologize for spreading
such stuff.
#Post#: 5101--------------------------------------------------
Re: Politics, Religion, etc. etc.
By: CurtOne Date: May 2, 2011, 8:48 am
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LOL I wrote a question. A Question. How can a question be
accurate or inaccurate? Only the answers can be be. You have
responded to it quite well. Thank you for your response.
Perhaps skepticism and paranoia are second cousins. If so, I
confess guilt.
Again, the other questions were far more important, because they
dig deeper at questions about our allies.
#Post#: 5109--------------------------------------------------
Re: Politics, Religion, etc. etc.
By: Playtwo Date: May 2, 2011, 9:17 am
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What is the proper relationship between "justice" and "revenge"?
Is revenge a justifiable goal in itself?
#Post#: 5113--------------------------------------------------
Re: Politics, Religion, etc. etc.
By: CurtOne Date: May 2, 2011, 9:25 am
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The banners at both FOX and CNN proclaimed "JUSTICE" so it must
be so, P2. If killing the guilty is justice, why do we tell
vigilantes that they are wrong? Never figured that one out. I
thought justice entailed some portion of the legal system.
#Post#: 5116--------------------------------------------------
Re: Politics, Religion, etc. etc.
By: BearHit Date: May 2, 2011, 9:32 am
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I wonder positioning Panetta as the head man was instrumental in
the final result...
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