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#Post#: 14878--------------------------------------------------
Re: Politics, Religion, etc. etc.
DIR By: Robb
Date: June 11, 2011, 9:33 am
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I could care less about what strategies should be used to attack
him. If the economy sucks like it does now there is a good
chance he loses, if not then he will win. I am merely stating
what the problem is. He doesn't know what the hell he is doing.
I am not among those who believe he is trying to run the
country into the ground on purpose but it's like Ronald Reagan
said, “It’s not that liberals aren’t smart, it’s just that so
much of what they know isn’t so.”
#Post#: 14879--------------------------------------------------
Re: Politics, Religion, etc. etc.
DIR By: CurtOne
Date: June 11, 2011, 9:39 am
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--- Quote from: Robb link ---
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> If the economy sucks like it does now there is a good chance
he loses, if not then he will win.
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Only if the candidate running against him is credible and has
some attractiveness. Pawlenty is credible, but he's vanilla.
Palin is attractive, but not credible.
#Post#: 14881--------------------------------------------------
Re: Politics, Religion, etc. etc.
DIR By: Jes Beard
Date: June 11, 2011, 9:59 am
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> Pretty much all of Obama's original team of economic advisers
have left too.
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Likely because many of them felt he was ignoring their advice
and pushing foolish positions. That appeared to have been the
case with Romer.
#Post#: 14882--------------------------------------------------
Re: Politics, Religion, etc. etc.
DIR By: Jes Beard
Date: June 11, 2011, 10:13 am
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--- Quote from: Robb link ---
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> I could care less about what strategies should be used to
attack him. If the economy sucks like it does now there is a
good chance he loses, if not then he will win.
>
--- End Quote ---
Really? Sure sounded as if you were concerned about the outcome
in your prior post.... It's time to fire the guy and his team
before he can do any more damage.
While it may well be that there is a continuum along which at
one extreme Obama wins regardless what strategies or rhetoric is
used against him, and at the other extreme Obama loses
regardless what strategies or rhetoric is used against him, we
are not likely to see an election in 2012 where we are so far
out toward either extreme that the rhetoric and strategies make
no difference. It appears you believe we as a nation would be
better off without Obama winning, and that you personally would
like to see him lose. If that is the case, raising the
"experience" issue at this point, or for the 2012 election is
foolish to the point of being counter-productive. Obama will be
far more experienced as president, or as a chief executive of a
large governmental body or as Commander in Chief, than anyone
who will run against him. It is a simple point, and frankly not
one I can see a person disputing.
--- Quote from: Robb link ---
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> He doesn't know what the hell he is doing.
>
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BINGO! That should be the focus of attack, by addressing what
he has done which has been counter-productive, what he has
wanted to do which would be worse (cap and tax), and what he is
likely to do if re-elected.
--- Quote from: CurtOne link ---
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> Only if the candidate running against him is credible and has
some attractiveness. Pawlenty is credible, but he's vanilla.
Palin is attractive, but not credible.
>
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Palin is unlikely to run in 2012, and as vanilla as Pawlenty
might be, when he would be contrasted with Obama who is likely
to be perceived as toxic waste, he would be plenty "attractive."
#Post#: 14895--------------------------------------------------
Re: Politics, Religion, etc. etc.
DIR By: davep
Date: June 11, 2011, 12:08 pm
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I think the only one out there that has a good chance of beating
Obama is Perry, of Texas. He is in favor with the tea partiers,
and also with many of the republican establishment.
If the tea partiers do not show up at the polls, the republicans
will probably lose the house, as well as the presidency. It is
hard to see them failing to win the Senate, regardless of what
happens.
#Post#: 14897--------------------------------------------------
Re: Politics, Religion, etc. etc.
DIR By: Keysbear
Date: June 11, 2011, 12:20 pm
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I think republican turnout will be way up next time. All those
that stayed home to "teach the republicans a lesson" are not
likely to make that mistake again regardless of who the nominee
is.
#Post#: 14900--------------------------------------------------
Re: Politics, Religion, etc. etc.
DIR By: Jes Beard
Date: June 11, 2011, 12:36 pm
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--- Quote from: davep link ---
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> I think the only one out there that has a good chance of
beating Obama is Perry, of Texas. He is in favor with the tea
partiers, and also with many of the republican establishment.
>
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The only Republicans being talked about who I believe would NOT
beat Obama are Palin (who has the sense not to run), Trump (who
is not going to run), Bachmann, (who has no chance of getting
the nomination), and possibly Gingrich.
Any other Republican under discussion would beat Obama.
#Post#: 14913--------------------------------------------------
Re: Politics, Religion, etc. etc.
DIR By: davep
Date: June 11, 2011, 2:00 pm
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That may be true, as long as the economy stays where it is, but
if the economy shows signs of improvement by this time next
year, Obama will be tough to beat no matter who runs. It looks
as if the tea party movement has lost it's steam, and I don't
think the turnout will be as good as some people expect.
#Post#: 14923--------------------------------------------------
Re: Politics, Religion, etc. etc.
DIR By: Jes Beard
Date: June 11, 2011, 3:05 pm
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Economic improvement is almost always slow to register,
particularly to register on unemployment. Considering where
things are now (and the fact that the current indications are
that things are more likely to get worse than they are to get
better), there is no way voters will perceive the economy as
doing well in November of 2012.
You look at it as Obama being tough to beat no matter who runs,
but really give no indication what the election would reverse so
much electoral history to re-elect Obama. I look at it as Obama
have difficulty winning no matter who runs, and point to the
fact that since FDR no president has won re-election with the
kind of unemployment rate Obama will have, that the economy
shows no sign of being better in a year and a half, that Obama's
negatives are greater than his positives, that the Republican
vote has grown much more than the Democratic vote in the last
two years in some large swing states, and that the Senate races
will help to turn out Republican votes in states where Obama
needs them. Three of Obama's strongest constituencies -- black
voters, young voters and liberal anti-war voters -- will also
likely be somewhat disaffected voters in 2012. Their turnout is
likely to be much poorer than the Tea Party turnout.
#Post#: 14926--------------------------------------------------
Re: Politics, Religion, etc. etc.
DIR By: davep
Date: June 11, 2011, 3:25 pm
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--- Quote from: Jes Beard link ---
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> Economic improvement is almost always slow to register,
particularly to register on unemployment. Considering where
things are now (and the fact that the current indications are
that things are more likely to get worse than they are to get
better), there is no way voters will perceive the economy as
doing well in November of 2012.
>
>
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You have more faith in the average voter than I do. If the
unemployment numbers show decreases next summer, the media will
be trumpeting that "the worst is over", and this is not time to
make changes to policies that are clearly working.
If the numbers are going the other way at that time, Obama could
probably be beaten by just about anyone.
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