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#Post#: 7624--------------------------------------------------
Re: Politics, Religion, etc. etc.
DIR By: Jes Beard
Date: May 13, 2011, 3:39 pm
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> Ron Paul just blew his chances today by saying he wouldn't
have gone in after Bin Laden but would have tried to negotiate
with Pakistan to have them turn him over.
>
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Any link you could direct to on this?
#Post#: 7627--------------------------------------------------
Re: Politics, Religion, etc. etc.
DIR By: Keysbear
Date: May 13, 2011, 3:46 pm
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HTML http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20062264-503544.html
here you go Jes
#Post#: 7658--------------------------------------------------
Re: Politics, Religion, etc. etc.
DIR By: Jes Beard
Date: May 13, 2011, 4:39 pm
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Keys, now what exactly do you have a problem with in Paul's
response, which was essentially that he would have followed the
law?
#Post#: 7720--------------------------------------------------
Re: Politics, Religion, etc. etc.
DIR By: davep
Date: May 13, 2011, 10:06 pm
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I have no idea what Key's answer would be, but the last thing I
would have done would be to let the Pakistani government know
that they knew where Obama was. He would have been warned, just
as he was warned when Clinton warned the pakistani government
that he was going to bomb the terrorist training camp.
Just because you are a conservative doesn't mean you have to be
stupid.
#Post#: 7726--------------------------------------------------
Re: Politics, Religion, etc. etc.
DIR By: Playtwo
Date: May 14, 2011, 1:32 am
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--- Quote from: davep link ---
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> I have no idea what Key's answer would be, but the last thing
I would have done would be to let the Pakistani government know
that they knew where Obama was. He would have been warned, just
as he was warned when Clinton warned the pakistani government
that he was going to bomb the terrorist training camp.
>
> Just because you are a conservative doesn't mean you have to
be stupid.
>
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But it helps.
#Post#: 7731--------------------------------------------------
Re: Politics, Religion, etc. etc.
DIR By: Jes Beard
Date: May 14, 2011, 7:01 am
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--- Quote from: davep link ---
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> I have no idea what Key's answer would be, but the last thing
I would have done would be to let the Pakistani government know
that they knew where Obama was. He would have been warned, just
as he was warned when Clinton warned the pakistani government
that he was going to bomb the terrorist training camp. Just
because you are a conservative doesn't mean you have to be
stupid.
>
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It also doesn't mean you get to violate international law... nor
does being a liberal, since Obama was the one doing the
violating here.
Whether bin Laden would have been warned or not does not alter
the law. When Al Capone had informants on his payroll all over
Chicago at all levels of government, that did not mean officers
could ignore the search warrant requirements and search whatever
and whenever they wanted.
The US could have had the mission in place, and fully planned
and ready to go, with Obama scheduling a phone call directly
with Pakistan's President to inform him that the US was
preparing to go in after bin Laden, and wanting the approval for
that mission, and wanting it right then, that instant, with any
and all aid cut off if it was not granted. Meanwhile an
operative on the ground outside of the compound could have
watched to see if anyone left before the Seals arrived. Or some
other approach accomplishing the same end could have been used.
#Post#: 7739--------------------------------------------------
Re: Politics, Religion, etc. etc.
DIR By: Keysbear
Date: May 14, 2011, 9:03 am
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Jes...I don't have a problem going in to get Bin laden but that
was not the point of my post. I understand your argument about
violating international law but I think think the majority of
voters would not agree with you with the exception of the far
left who would never vote for Ron Paul under any circumstances.
My point was that making that statement would make him
unelectable and I stand by it.
#Post#: 7754--------------------------------------------------
Re: Politics, Religion, etc. etc.
DIR By: Jes Beard
Date: May 14, 2011, 10:28 am
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And I disagree that it will make him unelectable. The terrorism
buggaboo is unlikely to be much of an issue at all in 2012. The
Republican candidates are unlikely to press it because it does
not rate nearly as high with voters as the economy and deficit,
and because Obama got Osama, AND because the likely attack on
Obama will be for being too adventerous with the military, and
not bringing troops home fast enough, which is not an argument
which will play well while raising concerns about terrorism.
And Obama is not going to push it, because it runs counter to
his base and it is not his nature. What Paul would or would not
have done regarding Osama will be of about as much concern to
most voters next year as how he would change a flat tire.
#Post#: 7756--------------------------------------------------
Re: Politics, Religion, etc. etc.
DIR By: Keysbear
Date: May 14, 2011, 10:46 am
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All an opponant has to say is that if Paul had been in charge
Bin Laden would still be alive plotting future terror attacks. I
think that does more damage to him than you think.
#Post#: 7777--------------------------------------------------
Re: Politics, Religion, etc. etc.
DIR By: davep
Date: May 14, 2011, 1:49 pm
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"t also doesn't mean you get to violate international law... nor
does being a liberal, since Obama was the one doing the
violating here."
If a foreign country protects a terrorist that has wreaked
destruction in America, I could care less about criminal
international law. When Tunisia gave safe harbor to pirates,
Jefferson went in after them. It was the right thing to do.
When Cambodia gave safe harbor to the Viet Cong, we went after
them. It was the right thing to do. When Pakistan gives safe
harbor to the Taliban, we go after them. It is the right thing
to do.
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