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Re: Cubs in '13
By: davep Date: June 21, 2013, 5:28 pm
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I think the point is that there are too many players with too
many motivations to draw general conclusions as to what
motivates who.
That said, it is always a good bet to assume Curt is wrong. But
when he disagrees with the snot nosed brat, you just have to
assume that both are wrong.
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Re: Cubs in '13
By: brjones Date: June 21, 2013, 6:18 pm
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Len just said Lillibridge has been traded to the Yankees for a
PTBNL or cash.
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Re: Cubs in '13
By: JR Date: June 21, 2013, 6:20 pm
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And the fire sale has begun!
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Re: Cubs in '13
By: brjones Date: June 21, 2013, 6:22 pm
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The Yankees also signed Corey Patterson to a minor league deal
today.
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Re: Cubs in '13
By: Deeg Date: June 21, 2013, 8:23 pm
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I like the idea of progressively searching for deals now, rather
than waiting for the deadline. I think a lot of GMs feel like
they're going to get more from desperate teams in the final
seconds, but more often the seller ends up settling for whatever
they can get, or a guy gets hurt and can't be traded at all. If
there's a market for Guys now, be aggressive.
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Re: Cubs in '13
By: craig Date: June 21, 2013, 9:51 pm
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[quote author=Deeg link=topic=108.msg135800#msg135800
date=1371864233]
I like the idea of progressively searching for deals now, rather
than waiting for the deadline. I think a lot of GMs feel like
they're going to get more from desperate teams in the final
seconds, but more often the seller ends up settling for whatever
they can get, or a guy gets hurt and can't be traded at all. If
there's a market for Guys now, be aggressive.
[/quote]
Agree, deeg. What's the gain in waiting? 3+ months of service
for a rental would seem more useful than 2. More teams think
they've still got a chance than will be true by end of July.
Last year I think the crowd had dwindled a bit by the time they
moved Dempster. And last year, both Garza and Dempster might
have netted pretty good hauls in June. Dempster got hurt and
missed a bunch of games, Garza got hurt and became valueless.
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Re: Cubs in '13
By: StrikeZone Date: June 21, 2013, 11:20 pm
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[quote author=craig link=topic=108.msg135809#msg135809
date=1371869502]
Agree, deeg. What's the gain in waiting? 3+ months of service
for a rental would seem more useful than 2. More teams think
they've still got a chance than will be true by end of July.
Last year I think the crowd had dwindled a bit by the time they
moved Dempster. And last year, both Garza and Dempster might
have netted pretty good hauls in June. Dempster got hurt and
missed a bunch of games, Garza got hurt and became valueless.
[/quote]
Yep, the longer you wait, the more opportunity there is for
injury. Also, if you're the team looking for help, the earlier
you make a deal, the more time you have to benefit from your new
player.
Just look at the Brewers and CC a few years ago. They pulled
the trigger on that deal in early July and rode him hard right
into the playoffs instead of waiting until the deadline, trying
to hold the Indians over a barrel.
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Re: Cubs in '13
By: Deeg Date: June 21, 2013, 11:27 pm
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It would be interesting to see an over/under on who gets traded.
I see Schierholtz and Feldman as likely gone - 90%. Gregg 80%,
Garza probably 75% to be traded. Russell 50-50%, DeJesus 70-30%
against because of the injury. I think Villanueva stays, and no
one would want Marmol or Soriano so they stay too. I wouldn't
see any reason to consider moving Wood.
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Re: Cubs in '13
By: Cubsin Date: June 22, 2013, 1:25 am
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I'd put much lower odds on Schierholtz being traded, because
he's under team control through 2014, and there aren't any
obvious OF candidates in the minors. Lake, Ha, Szczur and
possibly Jackson or Vitters might battle for a roster spot next
year, but none of them look like everyday starters to me.
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Re: Cubs in '13
By: Deeg Date: June 22, 2013, 2:25 am
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Team control through 2014 makes him more likely to be traded,
not less. It increases his value, and we have few guys of value
that are candidates to be traded.
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