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#Post#: 135745--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in '13
By: Ron Date: June 21, 2013, 1:32 pm
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I'm always surprised when fans suggest that players can turn it
on or off when they choose. And I don't think players ever
"play hard for" their manager. They may play for pride or money
or whatever, but not for their manager. And I'm sure there are
days during the long season when players have off days, in terms
of playing all-out. But I don't think any of the guys who are
potential trade chips are going to suddenly find a way of
performing better in order to enhance their chances of being
traded.
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Re: Cubs in '13
By: Cubsin Date: June 21, 2013, 1:34 pm
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On the other hand, a hot streak starting right now would
probably be the best ticket out of town.
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Re: Cubs in '13
By: craig Date: June 21, 2013, 1:40 pm
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Agree completely with you, Ron.
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Re: Cubs in '13
By: CUBluejays Date: June 21, 2013, 2:19 pm
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Marlin Bystro on PSD is someone who is thought to have some
contact in the Cubs org and he thinks Nate could be the first
one gone and he has a "strong" market.
ABTY who still has some connections in KC thinks Garza or
Feldman and Villanueva could be a target for the Royals. It's
looking like 2014 could be brutal.
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Re: Cubs in '13
By: CurtOne Date: June 21, 2013, 2:21 pm
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[quote author=Ron link=topic=108.msg135745#msg135745
date=1371839579]
I'm always surprised when fans suggest that players can turn it
on or off when they choose. And I don't think players ever
"play hard for" their manager. They may play for pride or money
or whatever, but not for their manager. And I'm sure there are
days during the long season when players have off days, in terms
of playing all-out. But I don't think any of the guys who are
potential trade chips are going to suddenly find a way of
performing better in order to enhance their chances of being
traded.
[/quote]
Agree and disagree. There are managers you hear positive things
about, but I think the primary thing is the attitude you come to
work with. Morale and spirit are part of our everyday approach.
You and I, Ron, go to work each day, feeling normal, up, or
down, and it impacts to a degree how we perform. That's why I
hated Marmol's performance on Sunday...it sours everyone for
awhile. I have had many job offers in my life and each gave me
a lift whether I took them or not, because somebody wanted me.
Ball players are the same. Hearing that somebody is looking at
me can give me incentive to bear down. Does trying harder help?
For some it can make it worse, but it certainly can't hurt for
a scout to see your positive approach and drive. JMO
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Re: Cubs in '13
By: JR Date: June 21, 2013, 2:56 pm
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Honestly I think in general, players don't like being traded
period. I think that's one of the last things that motivates a
player to do well, even if it's on a losing team.
Just look at a guy like Soriano, for instance. He had a chance
to go to the team that won the World Series, but instead he
chose to stay put with a rebuilding Cubs team. Given a choice,
I don't think players like the distraction and the hassle of
having to relocate on the fly right in the middle of the season
and dealing the with the stress and logistics of it.
I really wonder what a guy like Feldman's response would be if
you asked him if he really wants to get traded. He's pitching
the best he's ever pitched in his life. He's with a team that's
finally given him a chance to show what he can do. He knows his
rotation spot is about secure as it gets on this team. He's
probably primed to cash in this offseason if he keeps this up.
I'm not sure he'd really want to mess with that too much if he
had a choice in the matter. Of course for him, he doesn't have
a choice if Theo wants to move him, but if any of us were in
Feldman's shoes, I'm not sure we'd be so excited to leave. It
probably wouldn't motivate us to pitch much better than he
already has anyway.
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Re: Cubs in '13
By: CurtOne Date: June 21, 2013, 3:14 pm
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Well, you said "in general" so maybe you're right, but many
players sign contracts with teams like the Cubs this year,
hoping that their performance will lead to a trade to a better
team. Some guys want a ring or are unhappy where they are and
can use a change of scenery. I think some players who have
established roots in a community, a Kerry Wood, don't want to
be traded. Players like Soriano have reasons for not wanting to
go to the West coast.
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Re: Cubs in '13
By: Jes Beard Date: June 21, 2013, 3:28 pm
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[quote author=Ron link=topic=108.msg135720#msg135720
date=1371827948]
Theo noted that Castro had not had the experience of a sustained
period of failure that most young players have in the minors.
Perhaps that is getting in his head, causing him to dig himself
even deeper in the hole.
It seems reasonable to expect that the drastic changes in these
specific areas (where he had shown such a strength over three
prior seasons) are an aberration. is it possible that the
attempt to get him to be more selective has backfired? In any
event, I do think it's likely he will snap out of this at some
point.
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Unfortunately the "at some point" when he snaps out of it may be
when he is cut from a major league roster.
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Re: Cubs in '13
By: JR Date: June 21, 2013, 3:30 pm
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[quote]Well, you said "in general" so maybe you're right, but
many players sign contracts with teams like the Cubs this year,
hoping that their performance will lead to a trade to a better
team. [/quote]
I don't think the "hoping to get traded" part really applies to
why a lot of the guys signed with the Cubs this offseason,
though.
Guys like Schierholtz and Feldman, they came here more because
we promised them playing time and opportunity (and probably the
best financial offer as well). Nobody had really given either
of those guys chances to completely show what they could do, but
we were in a position where we could. Scott Baker and Kyuji
Fujikawa signed here for much the same reason I think, even
though things haven't worked out as well for them as anyone
hoped. Edwin Jackson came here because he got the most money
from us.
Really I don't think anyone signs with a team hoping they'll get
traded later on.
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Re: Cubs in '13
By: CurtOne Date: June 21, 2013, 4:01 pm
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[quote author=JR link=topic=108.msg135763#msg135763
date=1371846626]
I don't think the "hoping to get traded" part really applies to
why a lot of the guys signed with the Cubs this offseason,
though.
Guys like Schierholtz and Feldman, they came here more because
we promised them playing time and opportunity (and probably the
best financial offer as well). Nobody had really given either
of those guys chances to completely show what they could do, but
we were in a position where we could. Scott Baker and Kyuji
Fujikawa signed here for much the same reason I think, even
though things haven't worked out as well for them as anyone
hoped. Edwin Jackson came here because he got the most money
from us.
Really I don't think anyone signs with a team hoping they'll get
traded later on.
[/quote]JR, you ignorant slut. Of course some of these guys
came to the Cubs because it was the best offer and the most
playing time, but it was also so they could showcase.
I really think it boils down to where is the family and the
heart. If I were Feldman, for example, and my family, wife, and
kids, were in San Diego, a trade to a Southern California team
would be great. Or Dallas, if they were there, etc. For guys
like DeJesus whose wife was a Cubs fan and who invested
themselves into the community right away. that's different. He
probably would like to stay.
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