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Re: Cubs in '13
DIR By: CUBluejays
Date: June 19, 2013, 8:58 pm
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His K/9 is 6.5, he's lost 1 mph of his fastball, and he's out
performing his DIP'S. He may doing better this year, but he
isn't tearing it up either.
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Re: Cubs in '13
DIR By: JR
Date: June 19, 2013, 9:06 pm
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I'd certainly say I'd still do the trade. One not so small part
is we do have Rizzo under a favorable long term contract.
And BTW Rizzo is ahead of Cashner in WAR this year 1.7 to 0.9.
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Re: Cubs in '13
DIR By: Deeg
Date: June 19, 2013, 10:06 pm
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Rizzo is 15th among 27 eligible 1B in OPS, and he has a WAR of
1.7. That should tell you all you need to know about WAR.
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Re: Cubs in '13
DIR By: davep
Date: June 19, 2013, 10:53 pm
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For one thing, it tells us that WAR looks at more than just
offense, unlike Deeg.
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Re: Cubs in '13
DIR By: bitterman
Date: June 19, 2013, 11:54 pm
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Rizzo is batting around .240 w an obp of under .330. Hoe exactly
do those stats indicate a clear grand slam in favor of the cubs
in the trade?
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Re: Cubs in '13
DIR By: bitterman
Date: June 19, 2013, 11:58 pm
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the main idea of my post was questioning when is it okay to
start criticizing this management group because right now this
team is garbage
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Re: Cubs in '13
DIR By: ben
Date: June 20, 2013, 12:06 am
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It's A-ok to criticize our mgmt group, bitterman...this team is
frustrating and this is an opinion board.
Just don't throw in the towel...they're doing things the right
way for the long term...my opinion.
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Re: Cubs in '13
DIR By: CUBluejays
Date: June 20, 2013, 12:11 am
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--- Quote from: bitterman link ---
>
> Rizzo is batting around .240 w an obp of under .330. Hoe
exactly do those stats indicate a clear grand slam in favor of
the cubs in the trade?
>
--- End Quote ---
Because Cashner is an injury prone pitcher, losing velocity on
his fastball and striking out 6.55K/9. His WAR (f&r) has him as
the 4th or 5th best starter on the Cubs rotation. Rizzo is
right now in his second slump of the year and his providing
middle of the pack 1B offense, 13th in fWAR in MLB 1B. Cashner
will be lucky to even reach that mediocrity.
Perfectly ok to slam slam them on not trading Garza, Concepion
(even though it was a small amount of money), not getting
Darvish, Cespedes, Puig.
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Re: Cubs in '13
DIR By: Deeg
Date: June 20, 2013, 1:32 am
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--- Quote from: davep link ---
>
> For one thing, it tells us that WAR looks at more than just
offense, unlike Deeg.
>
--- End Quote ---
To thine own deckhand be true.
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Re: Cubs in '13
DIR By: Cactus
Date: June 20, 2013, 8:53 am
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Why Starlin Castro didn't appreciate Shane Robinson's slide
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