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Re: Round two of Corona in China?
By: Beelzeboop Date: June 15, 2020, 9:45 am
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Unsure if it's legit or doom, but it's an NZ tome.
HTML https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12339675
Coronavirus: Crematorium data indicates China was lying about
Covid-19
Beijing's largest seafood and produce market has been shuttered
and surrounding neighbourhoods placed into lockdown after more
than 50 people tested positive for the coronavirus.
Discrepancies in Beijing's Covid-19 reporting have been raising
suspicions since January. Now a new study of Chinese medical,
media and bureaucratic reports points to a massive cover-up of
the outbreak's severity.
A new study accuses Beijing's reported number of infections and
deaths from the pandemic of lacking any credibility. And that
will have had a severe impact on how the world responded to the
outbreak.
The preprint study, which is yet to undergo the scientific
quality-control process of peer review, was published on the
medRxiv early release service.
The first official recognition of the virus outbreak was from
Wuhan city in early January. But news of the strange new
pneumonia-like disease began to appear on Chinese medical forums
in late December. Beijing immediately cracked-down on the
discussion and moved to silence the doctors involved.
Much of what happened next doesn't add up.
By late January, Wuhan's hospitals were already reportedly under
severe strain. They offered 90,000 beds. Another 100,000 beds
were activated in hotels and schools. Yet Beijing's figures
reported only 33,000 Covid-19 cases.
By March 23, 42,600 doctors and healthcare workers had been
rushed to Wuhan from other provinces to support the 90,000
already there. But Beijing reported only 50,000 cases.
And where there's smoke, there's fire.
Before Beijing's crackdown, China's bureaucracy had been
conducting business as usual – analysing, assessing and
reporting on everything about its citizenry. The researchers
from Washington University and Ohio State University say they
have tracked down this early government data and combined it
with reports in state-controlled and social media.
Among this data was the activities of eight crematories in
Wuhan. By January 25, these were inexplicably operating around
the clock.
Based on such sources, the researchers argue the total number of
infections and fatalities before February was at least 10 times
that of the official figure announced by Beijing.
Rubbery figures
It took just weeks for Covid-19 to appear in 188 countries. In
six months, the virus has infected more than seven million
people worldwide and killed at least 400,000
As the pandemic continues to swell, critical eyes are turning on
Beijing's handling and reporting of the outbreak. The notorious
information-management and censorship of the Communist state are
being accused of delaying the international response to the
crisis.
"China's Covid-19 statistics fall outside of recognised and
accepted medical norms" the study finds.
But cracks are appearing in the great firewall of China.
The Wuhan City Health Commission had reported 27 cases of
pneumonia of unknown origin in December before Beijing
intervened. The study points to other official Chinese reports
from this time, indicating anywhere between 266 and 45,100
unidentified cases.
"Chinese media raised concerns about infections and deaths
beyond the official statistics; for example, when the director
of a fever clinic complained that he could admit only five out
of 80 potentially infected patients, which suggested a potential
16-fold difference between possible infected patients and
confirmed diagnoses in Wuhan," the report finds.
Another potential cause of confusion is the role private clinics
played, it says. State-controlled Chinese media at the time
reported these services had been falling through "reporting
gaps".
Such wildly varying stories have "led many to believe there may
be serious gaps in our understanding of the outbreak based on
what can be determined from this official government data," the
report states.
The US researchers say they have identified an important clue in
the reported activities of Wuhan's strictly regulated
crematorium business.
Typically, these are restricted to operating just four hours
each day. This is usually in the morning in keeping with Chinese
funeral traditions.
But by January 25, the crematoriums were operating at six times
their regulated rate.
They were burning 24 hours a day.
The report estimates the usual funeral figure for a city of nine
million people would be about 136 a day. Escalating operations
by up to six times enables about 816 daily cremations. With
mobile crematories known to be in action, the peak daily figure
could have been as high as 2100.
The study tracked the sale of funeral urns to verify the
estimates. In the January-March period during which the
crematoriums were operating at peak levels, some 36,000 had been
distributed.
The report says it took 14 days before the drastic lockdown
measures imposed upon Wuhan on January 23 began to take effect.
By this time, it says the death toll was already likely in the
tens of thousands.
"The estimates of cumulative deaths, based on both funeral urns
distribution and continuous full capacity operation of cremation
services up to March 23, 2020, give results around 36,000, more
than 10 times of the official death toll of 2524," it reads.
The study says that, based on its inferred data, China may have
had anywhere between 305,000 and 1.27 million Covid-19 cases by
February 7. The number of dead, it finds, was likely already
about 6800 to 7200.
Official figures released by Beijing at this time reported only
13,600 infections and 545 dead.
"The magnitude of discrepancy between our estimates based on
cremation related data and Chinese official figures in early
February, the critical time for response to the Covid-19
pandemic, suggests the need to re-evaluate official statistics
from China and consider all available and reasonable data
sources for a better understanding of the Covid-19 pandemic,"
the study asserts.
A slew of unconfirmed evidence has since pointed to origins
possibly as early as August. This has ranged from unconfirmed US
spy-agency wiretap and intelligence reports to data analysis of
population movements and purchasing patterns.
This study applies Covid-19 uncontrolled "doubling rate" to the
newly inferred infected figures to come up with a potential
October origin.
"If the doubling time 6.4 is close to the truth, there was
significant under- and delayed reporting of the Covid-19
epidemic information by China in late January and early
February, the critical time for the world to respond and prepare
for the pandemic," the study finds.
"Given the serious implications of the Covid-19 pandemic,
further investigations into this period in China needs to be
carried out."
Discrepancies in Beijing's response to the Wuhan crisis and its
publicly declared position have been raising suspicions for
months. But the challenges of finding reliable data to test
these claims remains significant.
"Readers are reminded of the assumptions that underlie our
estimates, and they should, therefore, be taken as approximate,"
the study's authors warn.
"However, even if there were non-negligible reporting errors in
these new data, the magnitude of the discrepancy between the
results from their analysis and China's official figures
suggests that the potential impact on the global efforts to
control the pandemic is obvious."
#Post#: 2182--------------------------------------------------
Re: Round two of Corona in China?
By: solo Date: June 15, 2020, 9:46 am
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[quote
author=𝕭𝖊𝖊𝖑𝖟𝖊
20173;𝖔𝖔𝖕
link=topic=127.msg2175#msg2175 date=1592231498]
Beijing is insane, but Hong Kong is actually worse. More
westernized though.
So more amenable to us round eyes.
[/quote]
I work with a city girl first generation, well I did last school
year. She's told me how expensive housing costs are in a few
places.
Let's hope they get a handle on this early.
#Post#: 2183--------------------------------------------------
Re: Round two of Corona in China?
By: solo Date: June 15, 2020, 9:53 am
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[quote
author=𝕭𝖊𝖊𝖑𝖟𝖊
20173;𝖔𝖔𝖕
link=topic=127.msg2181#msg2181 date=1592232303]
Unsure if it's legit or doom, but it's an NZ tome.
HTML https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12339675
Coronavirus: Crematorium data indicates China was lying about
Covid-19
Beijing's largest seafood and produce market has been shuttered
and surrounding neighbourhoods placed into lockdown after more
than 50 people tested positive for the coronavirus.
Discrepancies in Beijing's Covid-19 reporting have been raising
suspicions since January. Now a new study of Chinese medical,
media and bureaucratic reports points to a massive cover-up of
the outbreak's severity.
A new study accuses Beijing's reported number of infections and
deaths from the pandemic of lacking any credibility. And that
will have had a severe impact on how the world responded to the
outbreak.
The preprint study, which is yet to undergo the scientific
quality-control process of peer review, was published on the
medRxiv early release service.
The first official recognition of the virus outbreak was from
Wuhan city in early January. But news of the strange new
pneumonia-like disease began to appear on Chinese medical forums
in late December. Beijing immediately cracked-down on the
discussion and moved to silence the doctors involved.
Much of what happened next doesn't add up.
By late January, Wuhan's hospitals were already reportedly under
severe strain. They offered 90,000 beds. Another 100,000 beds
were activated in hotels and schools. Yet Beijing's figures
reported only 33,000 Covid-19 cases.
By March 23, 42,600 doctors and healthcare workers had been
rushed to Wuhan from other provinces to support the 90,000
already there. But Beijing reported only 50,000 cases.
And where there's smoke, there's fire.
Before Beijing's crackdown, China's bureaucracy had been
conducting business as usual – analysing, assessing and
reporting on everything about its citizenry. The researchers
from Washington University and Ohio State University say they
have tracked down this early government data and combined it
with reports in state-controlled and social media.
Among this data was the activities of eight crematories in
Wuhan. By January 25, these were inexplicably operating around
the clock.
Based on such sources, the researchers argue the total number of
infections and fatalities before February was at least 10 times
that of the official figure announced by Beijing.
Rubbery figures
It took just weeks for Covid-19 to appear in 188 countries. In
six months, the virus has infected more than seven million
people worldwide and killed at least 400,000
As the pandemic continues to swell, critical eyes are turning on
Beijing's handling and reporting of the outbreak. The notorious
information-management and censorship of the Communist state are
being accused of delaying the international response to the
crisis.
"China's Covid-19 statistics fall outside of recognised and
accepted medical norms" the study finds.
But cracks are appearing in the great firewall of China.
The Wuhan City Health Commission had reported 27 cases of
pneumonia of unknown origin in December before Beijing
intervened. The study points to other official Chinese reports
from this time, indicating anywhere between 266 and 45,100
unidentified cases.
"Chinese media raised concerns about infections and deaths
beyond the official statistics; for example, when the director
of a fever clinic complained that he could admit only five out
of 80 potentially infected patients, which suggested a potential
16-fold difference between possible infected patients and
confirmed diagnoses in Wuhan," the report finds.
Another potential cause of confusion is the role private clinics
played, it says. State-controlled Chinese media at the time
reported these services had been falling through "reporting
gaps".
Such wildly varying stories have "led many to believe there may
be serious gaps in our understanding of the outbreak based on
what can be determined from this official government data," the
report states.
The US researchers say they have identified an important clue in
the reported activities of Wuhan's strictly regulated
crematorium business.
Typically, these are restricted to operating just four hours
each day. This is usually in the morning in keeping with Chinese
funeral traditions.
But by January 25, the crematoriums were operating at six times
their regulated rate.
They were burning 24 hours a day.
The report estimates the usual funeral figure for a city of nine
million people would be about 136 a day. Escalating operations
by up to six times enables about 816 daily cremations. With
mobile crematories known to be in action, the peak daily figure
could have been as high as 2100.
The study tracked the sale of funeral urns to verify the
estimates. In the January-March period during which the
crematoriums were operating at peak levels, some 36,000 had been
distributed.
The report says it took 14 days before the drastic lockdown
measures imposed upon Wuhan on January 23 began to take effect.
By this time, it says the death toll was already likely in the
tens of thousands.
"The estimates of cumulative deaths, based on both funeral urns
distribution and continuous full capacity operation of cremation
services up to March 23, 2020, give results around 36,000, more
than 10 times of the official death toll of 2524," it reads.
The study says that, based on its inferred data, China may have
had anywhere between 305,000 and 1.27 million Covid-19 cases by
February 7. The number of dead, it finds, was likely already
about 6800 to 7200.
Official figures released by Beijing at this time reported only
13,600 infections and 545 dead.
"The magnitude of discrepancy between our estimates based on
cremation related data and Chinese official figures in early
February, the critical time for response to the Covid-19
pandemic, suggests the need to re-evaluate official statistics
from China and consider all available and reasonable data
sources for a better understanding of the Covid-19 pandemic,"
the study asserts.
A slew of unconfirmed evidence has since pointed to origins
possibly as early as August. This has ranged from unconfirmed US
spy-agency wiretap and intelligence reports to data analysis of
population movements and purchasing patterns.
This study applies Covid-19 uncontrolled "doubling rate" to the
newly inferred infected figures to come up with a potential
October origin.
"If the doubling time 6.4 is close to the truth, there was
significant under- and delayed reporting of the Covid-19
epidemic information by China in late January and early
February, the critical time for the world to respond and prepare
for the pandemic," the study finds.
"Given the serious implications of the Covid-19 pandemic,
further investigations into this period in China needs to be
carried out."
Discrepancies in Beijing's response to the Wuhan crisis and its
publicly declared position have been raising suspicions for
months. But the challenges of finding reliable data to test
these claims remains significant.
"Readers are reminded of the assumptions that underlie our
estimates, and they should, therefore, be taken as approximate,"
the study's authors warn.
"However, even if there were non-negligible reporting errors in
these new data, the magnitude of the discrepancy between the
results from their analysis and China's official figures
suggests that the potential impact on the global efforts to
control the pandemic is obvious."
[/quote]
That's terrifying. I also recall the "journalist" who supposedly
disappeared who was one of the first to report on the proximity
of the lab to what was "called" the first location of outbreak.
Have to use the wayback
HTML https://web.archive.org/web/20200214144447/https:/www.researchgate.net/publication/339070128_The_possible_origins_of_2019-nCoV_coronavirus
Good news is everyone should be much better prepared for waves
now.
I'd just like to have cousins over to swim, travel a bit this
summer, have an answer for my kids when things will get better
etc.
So fking depressing.
#Post#: 2186--------------------------------------------------
Re: Round two of Corona in China?
By: LunaC Date: June 15, 2020, 10:01 am
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[quote author=solo link=topic=127.msg2183#msg2183
date=1592232795]
That's terrifying. I also recall the "journalist" who supposedly
disappeared who was one of the first to report on the proximity
of the lab to what was "called" the first location of outbreak.
Have to use the wayback
HTML https://web.archive.org/web/20200214144447/https:/www.researchgate.net/publication/339070128_The_possible_origins_of_2019-nCoV_coronavirus
Good news is everyone should be much better prepared for waves
now.
I'd just like to have cousins over to swim, travel a bit this
summer, have an answer for my kids when things will get better
etc.
So fking depressing.
[/quote]
Yeah I'm positive china under reported deaths. Everything I've
seen from them and WHO suggest a conspiracy to bolster the
information campaign feeding into US instability. Make it look
like China did everything right and smear the US response and
numbers as an inefficiency of government. But really China just
lying to look good and troll us. I just want normal life too.
But Internationally powerful people have realized how great
covid is for getting shit done and leaving us ignorant. The last
thing the Bill Gates' in the world want is for covid to end.
Vaccine is a shame imho considering we've attempted to develop
one for coronavirus' for decades with no success. Now it
miraculously happens and there is no literature to tell anyone
how. Smells fake.
#Post#: 2187--------------------------------------------------
Re: Round two of Corona in China?
By: Beelzeboop Date: June 15, 2020, 10:03 am
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WHO is owned by the NWO
#Post#: 2190--------------------------------------------------
Re: Round two of Corona in China?
By: solo Date: June 15, 2020, 10:14 am
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[quote author=LunaC link=topic=127.msg2186#msg2186
date=1592233268]
Yeah I'm positive china under reported deaths. Everything I've
seen from them and WHO suggest a conspiracy to bolster the
information campaign feeding into US instability. Make it look
like China did everything right and smear the US response and
numbers as an inefficiency of government. But really China just
lying to look good and troll us. I just want normal life too.
But Internationally powerful people have realized how great
covid is for getting shit done and leaving us ignorant. The last
thing the Bill Gates' in the world want is for covid to end.
Vaccine is a shame imho considering we've attempted to develop
one for coronavirus' for decades with no success. Now it
miraculously happens and there is no literature to tell anyone
how. Smells fake.
[/quote]
The "window" of opportunity is there for the Fabians, no doubt.
And they will seize it.
HTML https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/lsehistory/files/2017/09/Tony-Blair-and-the-Fabian-Window-in-the-Shaw-Library-20-April-2006-credit-LSE-Nigel-Stead.jpg
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDez_cjgTZ4
#Post#: 2274--------------------------------------------------
Re: Round two of Corona in China?
By: Saint Date: June 15, 2020, 4:15 pm
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China can handle it.. :ohshit:
#Post#: 2276--------------------------------------------------
Re: Round two of Corona in China?
By: LunaC Date: June 15, 2020, 4:18 pm
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[quote author=Saint link=topic=127.msg2274#msg2274
date=1592255755]
China can handle it.. :ohshit:
[/quote]
:the:
Yup
:chuckle:
#Post#: 2287--------------------------------------------------
Re: Round two of Corona in China?
By: Saint Date: June 15, 2020, 4:33 pm
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I’m not buying this second wave, anxiety program that the
corona, panic people are spewing.
You certainly work out who not to be in around in a pandemic,
fast. We just had two weeks of no new cases in my state and our
state was the worst hit.. still people are saying the threat is
there.. fear mongering.
I went out into a big shopping mall on the weekend and the place
was packed, no one is social distancing, cafes and restaurants
are packed. It’s like it never happened.
#Post#: 2292--------------------------------------------------
Re: Round two of Corona in China?
By: LunaC Date: June 15, 2020, 4:36 pm
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[quote author=Saint link=topic=127.msg2287#msg2287
date=1592256809]
I’m not buying this second wave, anxiety program that the
corona, panic people are spewing.
You certainly work out who not to be in around in a pandemic,
fast. We just had two weeks of no new cases in my state and our
state was the worst hit.. still people are saying the threat is
there.. fear mongering.
I went out into a big shopping mall on the weekend and the place
was packed, no one is social distancing, cafes and restaurants
are packed. It’s like it never happened.
[/quote]
Same
:yeah:
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