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       Re: Late dinner, impatient guest
       By: NewHomeowner Date: December 31, 2018, 11:01 am
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       [quote author=Aleko link=topic=898.msg22550#msg22550
       date=1546083312]
       Just out of curiosity: all you people who say you normally eat
       at 5 pm, when on earth do you knock off from work in the
       afternoon that you can actually do that? Here in the UK, 5 pm is
       about the earliest normal going-home time (and many people -
       shop workers, for example - finish work much later). What with
       travel time, even people who have someone at home to cook dinner
       and have it ready for them the moment they walk through the door
       would be pushed to sit down any earlier than 6.
       [/quote]
       I start work at 6am, so I get out at 2:30pm.  That's how I
       manage to have dinner long before 5pm, because.....when you get
       up at 4am, bedtime has to be early, too.  I'm frequently in bed
       by 7:30 or so, usually asleep by 8pm.  (If it weren't for my
       DVR, I'd miss out on all the good TV shows!).
       I do occasionally hang out with people who keep later hours, and
       I try to work with them, but honestly, messing with my body
       clock messes up my blood sugar so much that it takes days to get
       back on track.  I just spent a week on vacation with my sister
       and family, who eat closer to 7 and go to bed later than 10pm,
       and it's taken me almost 2 weeks to get my body clock stable
       again.
       So I do my best to stick with my schedule.   Back in my 20s and
       early 30s, I did the whole 'stay up all night and party, then
       sleep during the day' weekends, but then I became a diabetic and
       everything changed.  My life is more important than a late night
       party.
       #Post#: 22745--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Late dinner, impatient guest
       By: Amara Date: December 31, 2018, 11:23 am
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       I'm like you, LadyJane. I go to bed around 9:00 pm, get up
       around 5:00 am and head off to work at 7:15. (I have a lot to do
       in the mornings, especially with the pets.) Off work at 4:00 and
       very hungry! Fortunately, my commute is very short, ten minutes,
       so I eat by 5:15 pm at the very latest. I do not like to sleep
       on a full stomach.
       And, yes, keeping to a pretty strict routine is best.
       #Post#: 22806--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Late dinner, impatient guest
       By: LifeOnPluto Date: December 31, 2018, 10:56 pm
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       [quote author=Raintree link=topic=898.msg22423#msg22423
       date=1545961908]
       [quote author=SecretSauce link=topic=898.msg22419#msg22419
       date=1545959438]
       Too late now, but if your sister and BIL were staying close to
       your mom's house, could your sister not have asked someone else
       for a ride so she could stay and visit a bit longer?
       [/quote]
       I offered! And before she could speak, he said, "No, that'd wake
       me up" (her coming in later). I think she didn't want to make a
       scene in front of us but I get the feeling they had an argument
       after they left. I really think he has a lot of anger in him and
       expresses it in a very manipulative way, but is one of those
       people that will claim he is fine when called on it.
       [/quote]
       Was there any way your sister could have stayed the night at
       your house?
       #Post#: 22930--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Late dinner, impatient guest
       By: Sycorax Date: January 2, 2019, 9:07 am
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       I can sympathize with BIL's issues, because I also get tired and
       hangry (with no official medical diagnosis), but he's also being
       a tremendously rude jerk.
       #Post#: 23302--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Late dinner, impatient guest
       By: Twik Date: January 4, 2019, 2:09 pm
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       I've got sympathy for both sides. Some people really do need to
       eat on a regular schedule, or they feel ill. And if BIL had told
       himself he'd eat no later than 7:00, but discovered it was going
       to be significantly later, this could be a problem.
       On the other hand, Raintree provided snacks to stave off the
       worst of it, and you can't actually eat a raw turkey, so what
       could have been done other than what she did?
       I'd say that the two of them really don't have a compatible
       dining style at all. That sometimes happens.
       #Post#: 23326--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Late dinner, impatient guest
       By: STiG Date: January 4, 2019, 4:26 pm
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       [quote author=Pandorica link=topic=898.msg22930#msg22930
       date=1546441626]
       I can sympathize with BIL's issues, because I also get tired and
       hangry (with no official medical diagnosis), but he's also being
       a tremendously rude jerk.
       [/quote]
       Exactly.  In that situation, were the offered snacks not
       adequate for what I needed, I would quietly ask my hostess if I
       could have some X or whatever I felt I needed that she might
       have on hand.  For example, when I start getting the shakes from
       low blood sugar, I find something with protein and sugar is
       best.  A spoonful of peanut butter will often do the trick.
       Cheese and a glass of orange juice.  A pepperette and a soda.
       #Post#: 24051--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Late dinner, impatient guest
       By: malfoyfan13 Date: January 15, 2019, 12:46 pm
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       While I think BIL sounds like a bit of a crank and a control
       freak, I'm in the camp of early dinners, especially on holidays.
       I like to have a lot of time to digest a big meal.  I actually
       prefer a lunch on Christmas rather than dinner; gives me time to
       digest and enjoy my evening, rather than having to cook and
       clean up well into the night.
       I'd suggest that if the cooking takes too long because of other
       obligations, maybe try buying some parts of the meal to cut down
       on cooking and prepping time.  Or make it a potluck so you're
       not doing everything.
       #Post#: 24075--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Late dinner, impatient guest
       By: lakey Date: January 15, 2019, 6:00 pm
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       [quote]I actually prefer a lunch on Christmas rather than
       dinner;[/quote] This is what we do. We have a large dinner at
       around 1 o'clock. That way those who go to bed early aren't
       going to bed at 9 having had a gigantic meal after 7. Anyway,
       when the host handles it in a way that isn't to your liking, you
       just accept it and be quiet. I've been a guest in homes where
       they didn't serve dinner until 8 or 9.
       #Post#: 24092--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Late dinner, impatient guest
       By: MinMom3 Date: January 15, 2019, 10:54 pm
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       I'm in the camp of a late afternoon meal time.  I too get up to
       be at work at 7 a.m., so I need to be in bed by 9:30 to not feel
       half dead the next day.  I also hate going to bed with a huge
       mess still to clean in the kitchen, and I don't want to stay up
       late purely to hose out my personal Augean stables.  When my
       husband was still alive, and either cooking or orchestrating
       meals, he'd be done and asleep on the couch as soon as the meal
       was over.  The rest of us, however, would be slaving away in the
       kitchen for hours, because he was the messiest cook ever.
       Cleaning up after him was not fun on a good night, and holidays
       were at least 4 times his normal mess.  So yes, I would be
       unhappy at sitting down to eat at nearly 8 at night.  I hope I'd
       behave better about it than BIL, but I would make different
       plans for the next year.
       With all the different working hours in OP's family, maybe this
       is a meal best not eaten with that particular cast of
       characters?  I think a day like the original post sounds like a
       great reason to time shift and maybe not have the full family
       all on one day.  The Venn Diagram just doesn't seem to have a
       central overlap!
       #Post#: 24557--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Late dinner, impatient guest
       By: Raintree Date: January 24, 2019, 1:37 am
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       OP here, just catching up now. Nobody had to be up at 6 the next
       morning or anything, and I also have never seen him leaping up
       to volunteer to do any of the cooking in all the years I've
       known him. If he wanted to cook a meal and serve it at 6, I'd
       eat it though I wouldn't enjoy it as much.
       I rarely get to eat dinner before 8 because I'm busy running
       around doing shopping or whatever for my elderly mother on my
       way home from work. Something I also have yet to see him have to
       deal with, as his parents are in another part of the world and I
       guess it's his sisters that do everything.
       My mother says her family used to eat the Christmas dinner in
       the middle of the day, but I have to say, that sounds totally
       unappealing to me. If BIL wanted to do this and offered to serve
       it though, I'd politely accept instead of bellyaching about how
       ill it made me feel.
       Ugh, I have to deal with him again next month for a family
       birthday. We aren't cooking though. I can assure you I will
       never cook for him again. Rest assured he will dictate the
       restaurant reservation time though.
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