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Re: Service Dogs: How do people now know to leave them be??!!
DIR By: Thitpualso
Date: December 23, 2018, 10:13 am
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I sincerely doubt if anyone ever encouraged a child to pet a a
explosive or narcotic-sniffing dog at an airport. A civilian
service dog wearing a vest is no different. The animal is doing
an important job and it’s usually obvious.
I’ve also been on cruise ships with service dogs and no one,
including small children,seemed to have the least problem
following the rules. The kids may have been curious but they
kept their distance. Probably, the ship’s youth counselors cued
them in.
People sometimes have to be reminded that a service dog will get
plenty of treats and love when off-duty.
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Re: Service Dogs: How do people now know to leave them be??!!
DIR By: Aleko
Date: December 23, 2018, 2:05 pm
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I think we're all agreed that this woman was a snowflake who
complained that the handler was "rude" purely to channel her
resentment at being refused and cover her own stupidity in
failing to read the notices. However, this is an etiquette
board, so let's unpick the etiquette issues, such as they are.
Here's my two pennyworth:
1. When a complete stranger approaches you in a public place and
gratuitously asks you for something (whether it be "Can I pet
your dog?" "Will you give me the price of a burger?" or "Let me
buy you a drink, beautiful"), you can give a reason for refusing
if you wish, but you are in no way obligated to (even if the
reason isn't as blitheringly obvious as it was in this woman's
case). And in fact it is often better not to: it can sometimes
come across as weak and weaselly, as though you were offering a
cheap excuse for not doing something you really knew you should
do. Also, a reason gives a pushy person something to argue with:
"Naw, he won't bite me! All dogs love me!"
1. You aren't obligated to say "Sorry", either. Again, you can
if you wish. But a simple "No", though it is certainly curt, is
not in itself rude. Indeed, if the request was unreasonable,
pushy or intrusive, curt is positively good: saying "sorry" when
refusing that kind of request may only encourage the asker to
harass you.
So, IMHO, this woman was wrong on all counts. But I'd like to
know what others think.
#Post#: 22144--------------------------------------------------
Re: Service Dogs: How do people now know to leave them be??!!
DIR By: Rho
Date: December 23, 2018, 4:13 pm
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Imagine this woman driving somewhere and an ambulance with
sirens and flashing lights was speeding up behind
her...................
#Post#: 22152--------------------------------------------------
Re: Service Dogs: How do people now know to leave them be??!!
DIR By: MOM21SON
Date: December 23, 2018, 7:09 pm
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I always get a kick out of people that say, "I'm going to call
my lawyer." If they actually had a lawyer, they would know full
well, their lawyer has much more important things to deal with.
I actually have 2 attorneys I'm working with and sure, I can
call them, it doesn't mean they are going to jump on the phone.
lol.
Customers would tell me that on occasion when I worked in the
retail call center.
#Post#: 22634--------------------------------------------------
Re: Service Dogs: How do people now know to leave them be??!!
DIR By: honeybee42
Date: December 29, 2018, 8:43 pm
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--- Quote from: MOM21SON link ---
>
> I always get a kick out of people that say, "I'm going to call
my lawyer." If they actually had a lawyer, they would know full
well, their lawyer has much more important things to deal with.
I actually have 2 attorneys I'm working with and sure, I can
call them, it doesn't mean they are going to jump on the phone.
lol.
>
> Customers would tell me that on occasion when I worked in the
retail call center.
>
--- End Quote ---
That, or they're like my ex-husband who would always say things
like "I'm going to call my lawyer" or "My lawyer says ___" that
whatever that person thinks is 99% likely to not be the way the
law actually works (like the recording in public vs harassing a
service animal) or else it's some sort of delusion that the word
"lawyer" is a talisman that will make people magically
compliant. Kind of like threatening a lawsuit over every little
thing (as though people who know they're on solid legal ground
are cowed by such threats).
#Post#: 22648--------------------------------------------------
Re: Service Dogs: How do people now know to leave them be??!!
DIR By: Rose Red
Date: December 30, 2018, 7:05 am
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--- Quote from: honeybee42 link ---
>
> [quote author=MOM21SON link=topic=887.msg22152#msg22152
date=1545613743]
> I always get a kick out of people that say, "I'm going to call
my lawyer." If they actually had a lawyer, they would know full
well, their lawyer has much more important things to deal with.
I actually have 2 attorneys I'm working with and sure, I can
call them, it doesn't mean they are going to jump on the phone.
lol.
>
> Customers would tell me that on occasion when I worked in the
retail call center.
>
--- End Quote ---
That, or they're like my ex-husband who would always say things
like "I'm going to call my lawyer" or "My lawyer says ___" that
whatever that person thinks is 99% likely to not be the way the
law actually works (like the recording in public vs harassing a
service animal) or else it's some sort of delusion that the word
"lawyer" is a talisman that will make people magically
compliant. Kind of like threatening a lawsuit over every little
thing (as though people who know they're on solid legal ground
are cowed by such threats).
[/quote]
That reminds me of an entry in Not Always Right. A customer
threatened to call her lawyer for...something ridiculous (I
forgot what). The cashier calmly got her manager. The manager
calmly handed her a business card to their legal department and
informed her that they are no longer allowed to speak with her
now that it's a legal matter. The customer is left sputtering.
Whether real or not, I loved that story.
#Post#: 22650--------------------------------------------------
Re: Service Dogs: How do people now know to leave them be??!!
DIR By: Dazi
Date: December 30, 2018, 7:13 am
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--- Quote from: Rose Red link ---
>
> [quote author=honeybee42 link=topic=887.msg22634#msg22634
date=1546137823]
> [quote author=MOM21SON link=topic=887.msg22152#msg22152
date=1545613743]
> I always get a kick out of people that say, "I'm going to call
my lawyer." If they actually had a lawyer, they would know full
well, their lawyer has much more important things to deal with.
I actually have 2 attorneys I'm working with and sure, I can
call them, it doesn't mean they are going to jump on the phone.
lol.
>
> Customers would tell me that on occasion when I worked in the
retail call center.
>
--- End Quote ---
That, or they're like my ex-husband who would always say things
like "I'm going to call my lawyer" or "My lawyer says ___" that
whatever that person thinks is 99% likely to not be the way the
law actually works (like the recording in public vs harassing a
service animal) or else it's some sort of delusion that the word
"lawyer" is a talisman that will make people magically
compliant. Kind of like threatening a lawsuit over every little
thing (as though people who know they're on solid legal ground
are cowed by such threats).
[/quote]
That reminds me of an entry in Not Always Right. A customer
threatened to call her lawyer for...something ridiculous (I
forgot what). The cashier calmly got her manager. The manager
calmly handed her a business card to their legal department and
informed her that they are no longer allowed to speak with her
now that it's a legal matter. The customer is left sputtering.
Whether real or not, I loved that story.
[/quote]
I know that is true for Lowe's. If you so much as utter the word
attorney or lawyer, then only the legal department may speak to
your attorney. No ifs, and, or buts.
#Post#: 22653--------------------------------------------------
Re: Service Dogs: How do people now know to leave them be??!!
DIR By: wonderfullyanonymous
Date: December 30, 2018, 8:40 am
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--- Quote from: Dazi link ---
>
> [quote author=Rose Red link=topic=887.msg22648#msg22648
date=1546175155]
> [quote author=honeybee42 link=topic=887.msg22634#msg22634
date=1546137823]
> [quote author=MOM21SON link=topic=887.msg22152#msg22152
date=1545613743]
> I always get a kick out of people that say, "I'm going to call
my lawyer." If they actually had a lawyer, they would know full
well, their lawyer has much more important things to deal with.
I actually have 2 attorneys I'm working with and sure, I can
call them, it doesn't mean they are going to jump on the phone.
lol.
>
> Customers would tell me that on occasion when I worked in the
retail call center.
>
--- End Quote ---
That, or they're like my ex-husband who would always say things
like "I'm going to call my lawyer" or "My lawyer says ___" that
whatever that person thinks is 99% likely to not be the way the
law actually works (like the recording in public vs harassing a
service animal) or else it's some sort of delusion that the word
"lawyer" is a talisman that will make people magically
compliant. Kind of like threatening a lawsuit over every little
thing (as though people who know they're on solid legal ground
are cowed by such threats).
[/quote]
That reminds me of an entry in Not Always Right. A customer
threatened to call her lawyer for...something ridiculous (I
forgot what). The cashier calmly got her manager. The manager
calmly handed her a business card to their legal department and
informed her that they are no longer allowed to speak with her
now that it's a legal matter. The customer is left sputtering.
Whether real or not, I loved that story.
[/quote]
I know that is true for Lowe's. If you so much as utter the word
attorney or lawyer, then only the legal department may speak to
your attorney. No ifs, and, or buts.
[/quote]
This would definitely fix the "I'm calling my lawyer if you
don't..." problem.
#Post#: 22850--------------------------------------------------
Re: Service Dogs: How do people now know to leave them be??!!
DIR By: ZekailleTasker
Date: January 1, 2019, 11:55 am
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Two things:
1) How about if I walk up to the snowflakes daughter and pinch
her chubby little cheeks? What's that? I shouldn't touch your
child? She doesn't have a sign on her that says I can't.
2) The article I read this morning mentions that the trainer has
mild autism and admitted she could have phrased it better.
Maybe, but "no" is still a complete sentence.
#Post#: 22866--------------------------------------------------
Re: Service Dogs: How do people now know to leave them be??!!
DIR By: wonderfullyanonymous
Date: January 1, 2019, 2:26 pm
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--- Quote from: ZekailleTasker link ---
>
> Two things:
>
> 1) How about if I walk up to the snowflakes daughter and pinch
her chubby little cheeks? What's that? I shouldn't touch your
child? She doesn't have a sign on her that says I can't.
>
> 2) The article I read this morning mentions that the trainer
has mild autism and admitted she could have phrased it better.
Maybe, but "no" is still a complete sentence.
>
--- End Quote ---
There are just some people out there that need to know the world
does not revolve around them, that the word NO, is a complete
sentence, and that someone saying NO, really does include them.
Also, corporations need to ensure that telling a customer NO, is
not going to kill their business, but actually bring business
in. I have little respect for managers, because of their
superiors, give customers whatever they want.
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