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       #Post#: 21052--------------------------------------------------
       What should I have done here?  
   DIR By: Victoria
       Date: December 10, 2018, 2:26 pm
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       Before I met them, my friends Stephanie and John got married to
       each other in the wintertime. As a result they have a ton of
       blue, white, and silver decorations that they bring out every
       year. Yesterday they invited me over for dinner, and got
       sidetracked explaining the history behind all their decorations
       and what they had been used for during the wedding. This quickly
       devolved into "Oh, remember [Wedding Thing Victoria Never Saw]
       with [Wedding Guest Victoria Never Met]?" and they pulled out
       their wedding album of pictures. By this time a good 45 minutes
       had gone by and i was starving. When I went into the kitchen to
       grab a water bottle I saw a whole, uncooked chicken on the
       counter next to a colander of uncooked green beans. At that
       point I was insanely hungry (and the sight of raw food made me
       realize that nothing could be ready for a good hour), so I
       walked back out, drained the water bottle, and then made a
       generic "Look at the time/I really have to be going" comment and
       left about an hour after arriving, picking up Burger King on the
       way home.
       This isn't the first time that this type of situation has
       happened with them. They're the kind of people who will invite
       you for dinner at 6 pm and not sit down to eat until 8 pm, or
       will invite you over mid-morning and not think to break for food
       until 3 pm (which I did not witness, but heard about). I've also
       incurred fees from canceling Uber rides because they weren't
       ready to go at the agreed-upon time. I'm just not sure what to
       do in these types of situations, particularly in ones where
       nothing I say will make the event happen any faster. (As in, I
       was too hungry to wait for food to cook, and I can't force them
       to get ready faster when they're looking for something and are
       only half dressed.)
       #Post#: 21059--------------------------------------------------
       Re: What should I have done here?  
   DIR By: GreenBird
       Date: December 10, 2018, 3:22 pm
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       Since you know that they tend to serve a lot later than
       promised, for invitations to dinner at their house, I'd eat
       something before going there so it would be easier to withstand
       the wait.  I'd also keep a bar in my purse that I could snarf to
       tide me over if necessary.  In that moment when you were
       ravenous and had nothing to eat with you, I think I would have
       just confessed that gosh, I'm really hungry all of a sudden and
       ask if they had any crackers and cheese or something to tide me
       over until dinner.  Unless you think that would have offended
       them more than bailing before dinner was served, which must have
       been a little startling to them.
       #Post#: 21061--------------------------------------------------
       Re: What should I have done here?  
   DIR By: Jem
       Date: December 10, 2018, 3:31 pm
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       Was it just the three of you in the situation you described in
       the OP? Socializing before dinner is normal in my experience,
       but how odd to not have hors d'ouerves or cocktails before
       dinner if they intended to socialize for several hours. But also
       think it was odd for you to leave an hour after arriving. What
       did they say when you announced you were leaving? They were
       making dinner and you left before they had a chance to serve it,
       and long before it got to the point of "are we EVER going to
       eat?"
       In general, I think adults should be able to manage their hunger
       so that a delay in eating times does not derail them entirely.
       If you can't, then eat before social events so you can focus on
       socializing rather than your hunger. Here I bet the hosts
       assumed socializing before dinner, and frankly, I would have
       expected socializing before dinner as opposed to
       showupsitdowneat. But I also think gracious hosts let their
       guests know what to expect for a timeline (similar to the other
       thread about "arrive any time after noon....we'll plan to eat
       between one and two...").
       In the future, maybe meet at a restaurant.
       #Post#: 21063--------------------------------------------------
       Re: What should I have done here?  
   DIR By: Bada
       Date: December 10, 2018, 3:47 pm
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       Should the first paragraph say "Victoria" rather than [Other V
       name]?
       While I agree with Jem that it's typical to socialize before
       eating, usually you socialize while the food is in the oven
       cooking.  Waiting to even start a whole chicken that will take
       at least an hour is weird.
       As for me, I've learned that I have a "three hour timer" for
       social events. Unless I'm in a really small group of very close
       friends or in my own home with a relatively small group of good
       friends, once 3 hours hits, I start to get anxious to
       leave--like skin crawling almost level, I get itchy and get
       butterflies in my stomach.  I don't even have to look at the
       clock, I know it's been three hours because I get that anxious
       feeling.  So the thought of socializing about events I'd never
       been to and people I'd never seen for however long...followed by
       more socializing in that vein while the food actually
       cooks...followed by more socializing over dinner...and then you
       can't leave immediately after eating, so more socializing...  I
       totally give you a pass on leaving like you did.  Although it
       won't change how they are going forward--so before the next
       event you may need to ask for some details about the plan to
       make sure you're on the same page.
       It doesn't help with Uber, though.  I have one friend who is
       *always* late. We're not super close anymore, but she
       tangentially helped me meet my husband. I actually chose to not
       ask her to be a bridesmaid, though, because I couldn't handle
       the thought of dealing with her lateness (I never told her this
       and ended up with a small wedding party, so I don't think it
       even crossed her mind).  Sometimes people lose out when they
       choose to never be on time to stuff.
       #Post#: 21066--------------------------------------------------
       Re: What should I have done here?  
   DIR By: Victoria
       Date: December 10, 2018, 3:56 pm
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       --- Quote from: Jem link ---
       >
       > Was it just the three of you in the situation you described in
       the OP? Socializing before dinner is normal in my experience,
       but how odd to not have hors d'ouerves or cocktails before
       dinner if they intended to socialize for several hours. But also
       think it was odd for you to leave an hour after arriving. What
       did they say when you announced you were leaving? They were
       making dinner and you left before they had a chance to serve it,
       and long before it got to the point of "are we EVER going to
       eat?"
       >
       > In general, I think adults should be able to manage their
       hunger so that a delay in eating times does not derail them
       entirely. If you can't, then eat before social events so you can
       focus on socializing rather than your hunger. Here I bet the
       hosts assumed socializing before dinner, and frankly, I would
       have expected socializing before dinner as opposed to
       showupsitdowneat. But I also think gracious hosts let their
       guests know what to expect for a timeline (similar to the other
       thread about "arrive any time after noon....we'll plan to eat
       between one and two...").
       >
       > In the future, maybe meet at a restaurant.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       In this instance the text said "Do you want to eat dinner at 5
       pm at our house?" and I answered that I did, and they were aware
       that I was at work all day beforehand. So when it was around
       5:45 pm and I saw all the uncooked/unprepared food that would
       have taken at least an hour to prepare and cook, I waited a few
       more minutes and left when they showed no signs of stopping
       their perusal of the decor. But I see your point and I think
       that maybe "dinner at 5pm" is shorthand for "socializing for a
       couple of hours starting at 5pm and then having dinner." They're
       also used to my popping in and out for work reasons (and this
       was a casual thing, so I didn't make a party come to a
       screeching halt) so they didn't protest too much. On my way out
       I heard Stephanie comment to John something like "Oh, I haven't
       even put the chicken in yet."
       Also Bada, yes it should say Victoria! I'll fix that.
       #Post#: 21073--------------------------------------------------
       Re: What should I have done here?  
   DIR By: Hmmm
       Date: December 10, 2018, 4:12 pm
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       I can understand being annoyed about being thrown into the role
       of observer while they reminisce about their wedding. They do
       not sound like people who are good about picking up cues that
       someone else may not be as interested in their topic of
       conversation. I think learning to get a topic changed takes
       practice. You just need to continue to offer new topics of
       conversation. For instance when talking about the guest you did
       not know, you could ask how they knew the guest and then that
       could take you down discussions of old jobs or college years.
       As far as the late dinner, I don't think I would have bailed on
       them. Instead I would have come back from the kitchen with "What
       can I do to help with dinner? Looks like we are having chicken."
       I also think it is perfectly fine to ask if they have something
       you could snack on.
       I do agree that knowing that they expect a long social visit
       before serving a meal that you should plan to arrive having had
       a snack.
       #Post#: 21081--------------------------------------------------
       Re: What should I have done here?  
   DIR By: Rose Red
       Date: December 10, 2018, 6:57 pm
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       Since you know this is a pattern with them, I agree you should
       eat beforehand or keep a snack in your purse. If you wish, maybe
       you can also being an appetizer as a contribution to the meal
       (sneaky but looks like you're being nice ;))
       Give them a heads up that you will need to leave by 9pm because
       you arranged an uber. Then stick to the time even if they
       haven't started cooking yet.
       Can't stand this habit, but I understand there are people you
       want to stay friends with despite their.......quirks.
       #Post#: 21091--------------------------------------------------
       Re: What should I have done here?  
   DIR By: TootsNYC
       Date: December 10, 2018, 10:17 pm
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       --- Quote from: Jem link ---
       >
       > Was it just the three of you in the situation you described in
       the OP? Socializing before dinner is normal in my experience,
       but how odd to not have hors d'ouerves or cocktails before
       dinner if they intended to socialize for several hours. But also
       think it was odd for you to leave an hour after arriving. What
       did they say when you announced you were leaving? They were
       making dinner and you left before they had a chance to serve it,
       and long before it got to the point of "are we EVER going to
       eat?"
       >
       > In general, I think adults should be able to manage their
       hunger so that a delay in eating times does not derail them
       entirely. If you can't, then eat before social events so you can
       focus on socializing rather than your hunger. Here I bet the
       hosts assumed socializing before dinner, and frankly, I would
       have expected socializing before dinner as opposed to
       showupsitdowneat. But I also think gracious hosts let their
       guests know what to expect for a timeline (similar to the other
       thread about "arrive any time after noon....we'll plan to eat
       between one and two...").
       >
       > In the future, maybe meet at a restaurant.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       She left before they had a chance to PUT A WHOLE CHICKEN IN THE
       OVEN.
       I'm sorry, they were phenomenally rude.
       It's one thing to socialize while the chicken roasts. But the
       chicken wasn't even in the oven, and they were making no move to
       put it there.
       Honestly, I think what Victoria did was probably the best
       possible thing. These hosts don't deserve to have their guests
       put that much of their lives on hold.
       And going forward, I would say simply have a set of rules you'll
       apply. If dinner isn't underway when you walk in the door, maybe
       you ask about it: "Are you going to start cooking now? How long
       will it take?" And if the answer is not "yes, and about an
       hour," then say, "well, I'll have to go in about 2 hours, so
       we'll see where things are," and then leave in 2 hours.
       As for the topic of conversations--lately I've taken to saying,
       "I'm sorry, this isn't a conversation I want to be part of. Can
       we talk about something else?"
       A distant friend (from high school) called to ask a favor and
       then was chatting, and suddenly I realize she's complaining
       about all the businesses and companies that have gone out of
       business in the last 5 or so years. I interrupted her to say,
       "I'm sorry, this is not how I want to spend my time on the phone
       with my friends--talking about all the ways our economy is
       imploding."
       In this case, I was done with the convo anyway, so I said,
       "And anyway, I do need to get going; I have to go home" (it was
       in the hour after work).
       I don't know if she got off the phone so quickly because of
       my needing to go home, or because I'd offended her. But if I
       offended her, good. That was a shitty sort of way to waste my
       time in conversation, to monologue about Sears and Younkers and
       Computer City...
       I think in your case it would have been perfectly fine to say,
       "I'm sorry, I don't know any of these people. Is there something
       else we could talk about?" I don't think you have to come up
       with the topic of conversation if you're at a loss. They're the
       hosts--the onus is on them, actually, to make you feel welcome.
       #Post#: 21094--------------------------------------------------
       Re: What should I have done here?  
   DIR By: Aleko
       Date: December 11, 2018, 2:24 am
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       It was clumsily phrased, sure, but I for one would automatically
       have interpreted "Do you want to have dinner at 5pm at our
       house?" as meaning "Do you want to come to our place at 5pm and
       we'll serve dinner [some time during the evening]?"
       I certainly would not expect dinner to be on the table as soon
       as I arrived, and not only because to me any meal served that
       early isn't 'dinner' at all but 'high tea', 'an early supper' or
       some such; an hour or so of chat before a meal is perfectly
       normal and proper. (My MIL actually feels it would be a gross
       breach of propriety to sit her guests down to a meal before at
       least one leisurely gin-and-tonic beforehand. We have before now
       arrived at her house for lunch after a morning chasing hounds
       across ploughed fields in a hard frost, with cries of "We're so
       hungry! In fact, we're starving!" and she ignored this, parked a
       perfectly-ready-for-us meal, and led us firmly into the lounge
       for an obligatory pre-lunch drink.) So you were in fact wrong to
       turn up so underfed that 45 minutes later you were desperate to
       eat.
       With this history of misunderstanding, another time it would be
       prudent, and perfectly polite, to check out what they actually
       mean - eg "Love to. I can make 5, no problem. What time are you
       planning to eat, because I can't afford to be too late home that
       evening?" Let's suppose they say "oh, about 7" (and I do suspect
       that that's the sort of time they actually intended all along).
       Then you know to stoke up enough beforehand to see you through
       till then. And you have made them actually think and commit
       themselves to a time, and have flagged up that you can't stay
       indefinitely. If after that there is no dinner on the table by
       say 8, and there clearly won't be any time soon, it is perfectly
       legit for you to get up and leave, saying "It's been lovely, but
       I must go: if I wait for dinner that would make me too late
       getting home. No, don't worry about me (even if they haven't
       expressed any worry); I can easily pick up a burger on my way
       home". And at least they'll know why you left. I suspect they
       still have no idea at all why you accepted their invitation for
       a whole evening then just breezed off after only an hour.
       If they are the sort of people who get so easily distracted that
       they just forget to put supper on, it might be a plan to find a
       reason to wander into the kitchen early on, see what's there,
       and cry brightly "So we're having roast chicken? Yummy!" and
       hope that reminds them to actually get it into the oven. Or -
       since dammit, these are friends of yours - just say outright "if
       that's tonight's dinner, shouldn't it be going into the oven by
       now?".
       #Post#: 21103--------------------------------------------------
       Re: What should I have done here?  
   DIR By: DaDancingPsych
       Date: December 11, 2018, 8:21 am
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       I totally understand your hunger. I am an early dinner eater and
       when I dine with friends, they often want to eat later. I do
       plan different on those days. I might have a larger lunch or
       afternoon snack to help hold me over. In fact, I keep a couple
       of things at work so that if I get an invitation the day of that
       I can easily accept and die of starvation.
       I think in this situation that you may have jumped the gun a
       bit. I agree that a certain amount of socializing before dinner
       is expected. Assuming that they had put the chicken in the oven
       at 6pm and it would have been ready by 7pm, that is not
       completely out of the realm of normal (although yes, I would
       have wanted to eat sooner, too). I really love the suggestions
       of nudging the couple by asking how you could assist with
       dinner. I think that it is a polite way of taking control of the
       situation.
       However, the reality is that this couple seems to have
       difficulties respecting the time of others. I think your choices
       are to accept that they proceed on their own timing, so you
       should plan accordingly. (Eat before you arrive. Check with them
       prior to calling your Uber.) Or you can set boundaries as far as
       your time. As others have suggested, let them know that you need
       to leave by a certain time, ect.
       I have a friend who is admittedly always late. She found it to
       be somewhat funny. I, as someone who is always early, found the
       habit to be annoying. I knew I could not change her, so I was
       clear that I am always timely and the importance to me and then
       just worked around her. When we go to the theater together, we
       typically arrive separately (partly due to living on opposite
       sides of the theater district) and have our own ticket. I arrive
       at least 30 minutes prior to show and she would arrive 5. But I
       always sent a text mentioning my arrival. I noted with time that
       she slowly started coming earlier and earlier... the last time
       she beat me to the theater! I really don't know what I said or
       did to adjust her behavior (other than discussing how I pad
       times to ensure that I am never late) and I am not convinced
       that it would work on everyone, but in my case, things have
       improved.
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