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       #Post#: 20761--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Trying to get hold of BIL but his fiance keeps his phone
       By: LifeOnPluto Date: December 5, 2018, 5:01 am
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       I find this very odd and controlling behaviour. If the genders
       were reversed, I also think perhaps it would seem way more
       concerning.
       I'm sorry that this is happening, OP, and I hope your BIL
       manages to call your son or otherwise get in touch.
       #Post#: 20811--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Trying to get hold of BIL but his fiance keeps his phone
       By: Despedina Date: December 5, 2018, 2:04 pm
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       Thanks for all the comments. I don't think we worry much about
       BIL and Fiance. DH tries to touch base about once a month. He
       feels that's enough. More than half the time he doesn't get a
       response.  In the back of my head I think this will all become a
       mess and although I'd like to avoid it I'm not sure how to do
       that right now.
       As far as the communication, I was more concerned this time
       because my son asked to speak to his uncle and invite him to his
       crossover which only happens once in a lifetime for a boy.
       I was thinking of a super polite way to message Fiance last
       night and meant to discuss with DH but time got away from me. I
       remembered this morning and I brought it up and he mentioned
       that he had messaged BIL again yesterday at lunch asking for BIL
       to respond (I think he even worded it that BIL should at least
       tell him to buzz off because I think he's a little irked about
       the lack of responses).  BIL did finally text back around
       midnight last night.  DH had not yet responded but was going to
       respond that he would like a phone call. At this point he's not
       sure who's texting any more.
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       Re: Trying to get hold of BIL but his fiance keeps his phone
       By: Star Wars Fan Date: December 5, 2018, 4:07 pm
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       I'm sorry I don't have any advice (I'm not sure what I'd do in
       this situation) but I do think your brother-in-law's fiancée
       sounds very controlling. And that's all kinds of wrong I think.
       I'm sorry to say I don't think you all should expect to see or
       hear very much of him after they're married.
       Ed.
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       Re: Trying to get hold of BIL but his fiance keeps his phone
       By: Despedina Date: December 5, 2018, 4:27 pm
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       [quote author=Star Wars Fan link=topic=853.msg20820#msg20820
       date=1544047661]
       I'm sorry I don't have any advice (I'm not sure what I'd do in
       this situation) but I do think your brother-in-law's fiancée
       sounds very controlling. And that's all kinds of wrong I think.
       I'm sorry to say I don't think you all should expect to see or
       hear very much of him after they're married.
       Ed.
       [/quote]
       Yes that thought has crossed our minds.  It just doesn't make
       sense otherwise. He and his family were close and he's had other
       girlfriends and he still stayed in touch. With this one he moved
       close to her family when they moved in together and they will
       drive across the state to visit her family and friends but
       rarely does he visit his mom and even more rarely calls his
       brothers. Even when MIL paid for a big weeklong family vacation
       they only would stay 2 days and went back. No know knew until
       they got there that that was happening and we had planned the
       vacation for over a year. Extra expense went into making sure
       they had their own bedroom and bathroom as requested by Fiance.
       Thankfully MIL was not upset by it.  There's really nothing to
       do about it. I just hope he doesn't get into a marriage that he
       changes his mind about but that is his issue.
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       Re: Trying to get hold of BIL but his fiance keeps his phone
       By: gramma dishes Date: December 5, 2018, 7:57 pm
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       [quote author=Despedina link=topic=853.msg20824#msg20824
       date=1544048854]
       ...  I just hope he doesn't get into a marriage that he changes
       his mind about but that is his issue.
       [/quote]
       I hope he changes his mind BEFORE the marriage!
       #Post#: 20847--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Trying to get hold of BIL but his fiance keeps his phone
       By: HenrysMom Date: December 5, 2018, 8:39 pm
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       My brother’s wife was like that - everything was about her and
       her family, if my mother and father wanted to see him or the
       grandkids on holidays, they had to make the trek all the way
       down the peninsula to her parents home.  Even when my mother was
       in her last illness, he couldn’t visit her in the hospital
       without her calling him on his cell, telling him he needed to
       get back because of blah blah(some specious reason).  My older
       sister told him that his grown son could get to his own golf
       lesson (one reason), he needed to be with his very ill mother.
       A few months after Mother died, he visited me and, in talking,
       expressed regret that he wasn’t able to spend more time with
       her.  I told him “woulda coulda shoulda” and that it was his own
       fault for listening to his wife rather than getting a clue with
       his own eyes.
       #Post#: 20950--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Trying to get hold of BIL but his fiance keeps his phone
       By: Star Wars Fan Date: December 7, 2018, 9:12 pm
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       HenrysMom I've known more than one married couple (sometimes
       even in my own family) where one spouse or the other makes it
       all about their own family and the other spouse's family gets
       left out and rarely sees them. But I've never been able to think
       of a way to try and talk with people about the problem without
       it causing a huge fight and a lot of anger and resentment and
       hurt feelings. I don't think there is one.
       Ed.
       #Post#: 20959--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Trying to get hold of BIL but his fiance keeps his phone
       By: Lilac Date: December 8, 2018, 4:08 am
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       In your husband’s shoes I would bow out. If his brother can’t do
       him the courtesy of keeping in touch, what’s the point of being
       a bit player in a wedding pageant?
       #Post#: 20978--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Trying to get hold of BIL but his fiance keeps his phone
       By: HenrysMom Date: December 8, 2018, 2:52 pm
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       [quote author=Star Wars Fan link=topic=853.msg20950#msg20950
       date=1544238748]
       HenrysMom I've known more than one married couple (sometimes
       even in my own family) where one spouse or the other makes it
       all about their own family and the other spouse's family gets
       left out and rarely sees them. But I've never been able to think
       of a way to try and talk with people about the problem without
       it causing a huge fight and a lot of anger and resentment and
       hurt feelings. I don't think there is one.
       Ed.
       [/quote]
       You’re right - there isn’t a good way to come out and say it.
       The reason why I up and told my brother what I thought is
       because Mother wasn’t around anymore to tell me not to make
       waves.  Since I rarely saw/see my brother anyway, I had nothing
       to lose or gain, so why not the truth?
       Taking it back to OP’s situation, there isn’t anything you or
       your DH can do about it.  BIL is a big boy, and he is allowing
       this to happen.  I would certainly reconsider being in the
       wedding though.
       #Post#: 21035--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Trying to get hold of BIL but his fiance keeps his phone
       By: Despedina Date: December 10, 2018, 10:46 am
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       Hi All, I do need to give a little bit of an update.  So last
       communication was that DH had asked BIL to call him (since he
       wasn't sure who was texting). The texter responded a few more
       times spelling my son's name wrong each time. BIL knows how to
       spell son's name so we knew it probably wasn't BIL responding.
       DH finally said that he would like a phone call and even said he
       wasn't sure who was responding. At that point Fiance responded
       admitting it was her and saying that BIL was napping and she was
       taking care of his phone business.
       BIL finally called Saturday evening. He said they are coming to
       my son's crossover and I'm not sure what all they spoke about
       but BIL tried to justify Fiance using his phone. DH said it
       wasn't any of his business however he didn't feel comfortable
       texting or emailing (they share an email address also which is a
       combo of their names (Think "Bennifer" or
       "Brangelina"@yahoo.com) because sometimes he just wanted to have
       conversations with just BIL and he was never sure who he was
       communicating with.
       BIL at some point in the conversation mentioned that he knew he
       didn't invite us to his holiday party (happening on Sunday) and
       extended an invite. We declined mostly because its such late
       notice.
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