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Re: Doing dangerous things to stay "safe"
DIR By: Judecat
Date: November 18, 2018, 6:53 am
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I've never rinsed Chicken, the only one in my family who did
was my father's Aunt who lived on a farm, and raised her own
food. My mother never washed chicken,
and my home ec teacher taught us that Chicken from the
supermarket was already washed to get the actual dirt and stuff
off of it, and the rinsing it was not going to kill the germs
anyway, it was only going to spread the germs around the
kitchen, only cooking would kill them. So I didn't know until I
saw this thread that people other than the farmers who were
killing their own chickens actually rinsed the chickens before
cooking. My mother and my high school taught me food safety in
the '50's and '60's.
#Post#: 19373--------------------------------------------------
Re: Doing dangerous things to stay "safe"
DIR By: Hmmm
Date: November 19, 2018, 5:17 pm
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--- Quote from: Judecat link ---
>
> I've never rinsed Chicken, the only one in my family who did
was my father's Aunt who lived on a farm, and raised her own
food. My mother never washed chicken,
> and my home ec teacher taught us that Chicken from the
supermarket was already washed to get the actual dirt and stuff
off of it, and the rinsing it was not going to kill the germs
anyway, it was only going to spread the germs around the
kitchen, only cooking would kill them. So I didn't know until I
saw this thread that people other than the farmers who were
killing their own chickens actually rinsed the chickens before
cooking. My mother and my high school taught me food safety in
the '50's and '60's.
>
--- End Quote ---
I don't think people rinse to get germs off, but more of the
extra fluid or bits of stuff still attached. For example, I was
stewing a whole chicken today. After taking out the gizzards,
liver, heart and neck, I looked in the cavity and saw what still
looked like a little bit of liver. So I rinsed out the cavity
because I've had problems with stock having the livery taste at
times.
However, I have seen someone rinse boneless, skinless chicken
breasts and asked why. They said they treat the meat like
produce and assume it needs to be rinsed.
#Post#: 19473--------------------------------------------------
Re: Doing dangerous things to stay "safe"
DIR By: Raintree
Date: November 21, 2018, 1:03 am
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Cutting out fruit for weight loss because there's "too much
sugar" (barring medical conditions that would warrant that).
Nobody ever got fat from eating too many apples and you're
missing out on the numerous nutrients and fibre that you get
from eating a variety of fruits and veg.
Loading up on bacon and cream and cutting out carbs (including
whole grains) for weight loss. I do see these people losing
weight but I hate to think what their colons are going to look
like and colon cancer is not pleasant.
#Post#: 19501--------------------------------------------------
Re: Doing dangerous things to stay "safe"
DIR By: Hanna
Date: November 21, 2018, 10:59 am
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I brined my turkey this year and the instruction on package of
the brine said to rinse the turkey afterward.
I don't think rinsing a chicken or turkey is dangerous. I think
the drops flying around are dangerous if you do not sanitize the
area afterward.
I get really steamed by people telling me things that are not
true because they think the general public is not smart enough
to process the details of the real issue.
#Post#: 19592--------------------------------------------------
Re: Doing dangerous things to stay "safe"
DIR By: lmyrs
Date: November 22, 2018, 10:54 am
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There are very explicit food safety instructions put out through
USDA experts on what to do regarding rinsing turkey, both brined
and not brined. When a turkey is brined, and it says to rinse,
it means the inside, not the entire thing.
HTML https://www.foodsafety.gov/blog/2016/11/wash.html
It's fine not to follow food safety rules just like it's fine
not to fasten your seatbelt. But, it doesn't make the safety
rule wrong.
#Post#: 19818--------------------------------------------------
Re: Doing dangerous things to stay "safe"
DIR By: Aleko
Date: November 25, 2018, 12:38 pm
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Another mildly dangerous thing people do is buy bottled water to
use at home, instead of drinking tap water, under the vague
impression that it's "safer" or "better for you", whereas in
just about any first world country it is - except in a few
specific cases where the public water supplier isn't doing its
job competently - bottled water is more dangerous. OK, usually
not all that dangerous, but definitely less safe and healthy
than tap water.
#Post#: 19837--------------------------------------------------
Re: Doing dangerous things to stay "safe"
DIR By: guest725
Date: November 25, 2018, 4:28 pm
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Do you mind citing your source saying bottled water is more
dangerous to anything except a budget? Oh yeah, and the
environment. Hope that's not too political.
#Post#: 19842--------------------------------------------------
Re: Doing dangerous things to stay "safe"
DIR By: STiG
Date: November 25, 2018, 5:54 pm
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In Canada, bottled water is regulated as a food. The
regulations for producing tap water, especially in Ontario are
MUCH more rigorous.
At one point, I worked in a lab. As a special product, I tested
a number of different bottled waters. More than half of them
were contaminated with bacteria. Not necessarily harmful
bacteria but bacteria, none-the-less, at quantities 100 fold
that which was normally found in regulated tap water. Some of
those brands were quite well known.
Those big blue jugs with the dispenser on the bottom? Breeding
grounds for bacteria, unless the whole jug is refrigerated.
They work by sucking air in to displace the water. If the
person getting water has particularly dirty hands, all of that
bacteria gets sucked up into the water and the little germs grow
very nicely in room temperature water. Again, this was a
special project.
If you are buying bottled water, look for one that has either
been ozonated or exposed to UV light. It's an additional
process to ensure the water is bacteria free.
#Post#: 19858--------------------------------------------------
Re: Doing dangerous things to stay "safe"
DIR By: Aleko
Date: November 25, 2018, 7:47 pm
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--- Quote ---
> Do you mind citing your source saying bottled water is more
dangerous to anything except a budget?
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My father, a worldwide leading specialist in water treatment who
pioneered reverse osmosis, a process that is used in preparing
many bottled waters (though he never intended it to be used for
that).
Tap water is, pretty much everywhere, held to more stringent
standards and more exhaustively tested than bottled water. (I
remember my father reading the list of chemical components on
the back label of a bottle of a famous and much-prized eastern
European mineral water, and remarking cheerfully that if that
came out of your tap, it would be condemned as unfit for human
consumption and you could sue your water supplier.) Here in the
UK, tap water is routinely put through more than a dozen tests
whereas bottled water, which is classified as a soft drink, has
to pass only three or four.
Also, unlike tap water, bottled water is by definition not
fresh. As it isn't sterile (it wouldn't taste at all nice if it
were) that means that any bacteria it contained when it was
bottled will have been merrily reproducing since then right up
till the time you drink it, especially as it will almost
certainly not have been continuously refrigerated since
bottling, and it may be a complete bacterial soup.
#Post#: 19885--------------------------------------------------
Re: Doing dangerous things to stay "safe"
DIR By: STiG
Date: November 26, 2018, 6:15 am
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--- Quote from: Aleko link ---
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> (I remember my father reading the list of chemical components
on the back label of a bottle of a famous and much-prized
eastern European mineral water, and remarking cheerfully that if
that came out of your tap, it would be condemned as unfit for
human consumption and you could sue your water supplier.)
>
--- End Quote ---
As part of my special project, I documented the component list
on a number of water bottle companies that I didn't test. A few
of them had levels of fluoride so high that if that were in tap
water, it would result in alternative water source order because
those levels would be considered toxic. And what's the
alternative source most of the time? Bottled water.
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