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#Post#: 19153--------------------------------------------------
Re: Doing dangerous things to stay "safe"
DIR By: Dazi
Date: November 16, 2018, 3:52 pm
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Gluten free diets...
Some people do it to be "safe" or"it's more natural." I've heard
a few variants. However, unless you have Celiac disease (as I
do) or a few other autoimmune disorders where a gluten free diet
is recommended, it's really pointless. It's not any healthier,
it's a damn hassle, GF breads SUCKS, and it's really expensive.
Antibiotics...
For the love of all that is holy, do not insist the doctor give
you antibiotics for every sniffle. Most colds are viral and
antibiotics do NOTHING. If your are prescribed antibiotics for
something, take ALL OF THEM. Don't stop after a few days once
you start feeling better as all the bacteria are not dead. This
creates super bugs!
Lysol spray...
Do not use at all if you have cats. It can cause fatal liver
failure in felines. Their livers cannot process the toxins in
Lysol and similar antibacterial sprays/wipes if they get it on
them and lick it off.
#Post#: 19161--------------------------------------------------
Re: Doing dangerous things to stay "safe"
DIR By: STiG
Date: November 16, 2018, 7:01 pm
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--- Quote from: Dazi link ---
>
> Gluten free diets...
>
> Some people do it to be "safe" or"it's more natural." I've
heard a few variants. However, unless you have Celiac disease
(as I do) or a few other autoimmune disorders where a gluten
free diet is recommended, it's really pointless. It's not any
healthier, it's a damn hassle, GF breads SUCKS, and it's really
expensive.
>
--- End Quote ---
You should be thankful for all of them, though. The demand for
GF foods has drastically increased the availability for those
who truly need it. :)
#Post#: 19162--------------------------------------------------
Re: Doing dangerous things to stay "safe"
DIR By: Dr. F.
Date: November 16, 2018, 7:06 pm
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--- Quote from: Dazi link ---
>
>
> Antibiotics...
> For the love of all that is holy, do not insist the doctor
give you antibiotics for every sniffle. Most colds are viral and
antibiotics do NOTHING. If your are prescribed antibiotics for
something, take ALL OF THEM. Don't stop after a few days once
you start feeling better as all the bacteria are not dead. This
creates super bugs!
>
--- End Quote ---
This, all of this, 100% this. At least we don't have
antibacterial soaps anymore. It drove me nuts that one of my
evolutionary biology colleagues would buy those, *even though
she knew better!* "Just in case." Argh!
#Post#: 19169--------------------------------------------------
Re: Doing dangerous things to stay "safe"
DIR By: TootsNYC
Date: November 16, 2018, 9:41 pm
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--- Quote from: STiG link ---
>
> [quote author=Dazi link=topic=813.msg19153#msg19153
date=1542405160]
> Gluten free diets...
>
> Some people do it to be "safe" or"it's more natural." I've
heard a few variants. However, unless you have Celiac disease
(as I do) or a few other autoimmune disorders where a gluten
free diet is recommended, it's really pointless. It's not any
healthier, it's a damn hassle, GF breads SUCKS, and it's really
expensive.
>
--- End Quote ---
You should be thankful for all of them, though. The demand for
GF foods has drastically increased the availability for those
who truly need it. :)
[/quote]
As someone who as celiac, I agree so much with STiG!
I also think, "what do I care? If people think they feel better
when they avoid gluten or wheat, what's it to me? My MIL is not
allergic to bell peppers, but they "don't agree with her."
I have a friend who doesn't have celiac, or any autoimmune
disease, or any allergy, but when she eats gluten in any sizable
amount, she has a bad reaction. I don't remember what it was,
but her doctor has told her, "avoid it; don't eat very much of
it."
She can eat a gluten-free pizza and not worry about trace cross
contamination from the cheese, which makes her life a little
easier.
And she just doesn't eat sandiwches either.
(I agree, gluten free bread is generally awful, and it's
expensive, but it's not like anybody HAS to eat that crap. I
don't!)
Also, people avoiding gluten isn't quite exactly the topic,
though--it might not be that necessary, but it isn't UNsafe.
#Post#: 19171--------------------------------------------------
Re: Doing dangerous things to stay "safe"
DIR By: pierrotlunaire0
Date: November 16, 2018, 9:46 pm
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About 6 months ago, I read a letter in an advice column. LW was
about to visit her son and daughter in law in California, and
was very concerned because they had informed her that due to
water rationing, she would have to cut back on her showering
routine. She said that she had a problem with body odor and
needed to shower. She proposed a compromise: only one 40 - 45
minute shower a day (instead of her typical three 40 - 45 minute
daily showers), and one 20 minute daily shower. LW was very
upset because her DIL had told her that was still excessive.
The columnist said she would be better served staying at a
hotel.
Now, I do understand that there are people with medical
conditions that cause unpleasant body odor. But a 45 minute
shower? If she had said that she was taking a 10 minute shower
every 90 minutes, I could have accepted that a lot easier. I
cannot even imagine what she is doing for 45 minutes.
When Aleko said at the top of this thread that people do
misguided things, it's more of a ritualistic magic behavior, I
immediately thought of the lady in the shower for over 2 hours a
day.
#Post#: 19174--------------------------------------------------
Re: Doing dangerous things to stay "safe"
DIR By: Dazi
Date: November 16, 2018, 10:12 pm
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--- Quote from: TootsNYC link ---
>
> [quote author=STiG link=topic=813.msg19161#msg19161
date=1542416519]
> [quote author=Dazi link=topic=813.msg19153#msg19153
date=1542405160]
> Gluten free diets...
>
> Some people do it to be "safe" or"it's more natural." I've
heard a few variants. However, unless you have Celiac disease
(as I do) or a few other autoimmune disorders where a gluten
free diet is recommended, it's really pointless. It's not any
healthier, it's a damn hassle, GF breads SUCKS, and it's really
expensive.
>
--- End Quote ---
You should be thankful for all of them, though. The demand for
GF foods has drastically increased the availability for those
who truly need it. :)
[/quote]
As someone who as celiac, I agree so much with STiG!
I also think, "what do I care? If people think they feel better
when they avoid gluten or wheat, what's it to me? My MIL is not
allergic to bell peppers, but they "don't agree with her."
I have a friend who doesn't have celiac, or any autoimmune
disease, or any allergy, but when she eats gluten in any sizable
amount, she has a bad reaction. I don't remember what it was,
but her doctor has told her, "avoid it; don't eat very much of
it."
She can eat a gluten-free pizza and not worry about trace cross
contamination from the cheese, which makes her life a little
easier.
And she just doesn't eat sandiwches either.
(I agree, gluten free bread is generally awful, and it's
expensive, but it's not like anybody HAS to eat that crap. I
don't!)
Also, people avoiding gluten isn't quite exactly the topic,
though--it might not be that necessary, but it isn't UNsafe.
[/quote]
Yes, it has made commercially available GF products more
accessible. However, it's near impossible to get waitstaff to
take you seriously about having Celiac disease. So, imo, that
makes it unsafe. Because people who don't need to eat GF, claim
they must eat GF at restaurants, then order or knowingly eat
something that is NOT gf. It makes it so difficult for those of
us with true issues to gluten to eat out because they think we
are faking our just trying to be trendy.
#Post#: 19178--------------------------------------------------
Re: Doing dangerous things to stay "safe"
DIR By: Aleko
Date: November 17, 2018, 2:03 am
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--- Quote ---
> I rinse my chicken but I am careful not to splash, and
afterwards I go over my sink with soap and hot water. I disagree
with telling people not to rinse at all. Why not just tell
people to be careful of splashing and clean their sink after?
--- End Quote ---
Because however careful they are they will still be exposing
themselves, and everyone they cook for, to serious danger
(campylobacter can and does kill people, or leave them with
lifelong damage such as IBS, arthritis and Guillain-Barre
syndrome). Your sink may not be the only place contaminated,
because minute near-invisible water droplets travel a whole lot
further than anyone realises, and get on you, your clothes, and
your work surfaces for a considerable distance.
And all this risk for no possible benefit. None whatsoever. It
doesn't make your chicken in any way safer, and if anything it
makes the taste and texture worse, not better. If there's
anything on the surface of your meat that you don't like, such
as slime or blood, just wipe it off with kitchen paper; don't
wash!
Do explain though. You obviously know you are doing a dangerous
thing, and are mitigating the danger as best you can. Why are
you doing it at all? What benefit do you see that outweighs the
risk? I really would like to know.
#Post#: 19188--------------------------------------------------
Re: Doing dangerous things to stay "safe"
DIR By: guest657
Date: November 17, 2018, 12:02 pm
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One way that it's not great for people to keep strictly GF who
don't need to, is that they run the risk of missing out on fiber
and micronutrients that they'd otherwise get from whole-grain
products. Whole-grain GF flours are very hard to work with and
often not palatable. Most GF substitutes are made with highly
processed flours that have lower fiber, less vitamins, and a
higher glycemic index. If you're going grain free or gluten free
and eating a lot more veggies instead, that's one thing. But
most people don't, so their overall nutrition gets worse. That
may not rise to the level of "unsafe," but it's not good for
you.
I have always rinsed my chicken because that's what I was taught
to do in the name of food safety. And when the advice changed, I
did not know the long-term risks that those microorganisms
carried. I thought they just caused short-term food poisoning,
which isn't a life-or-death matter for people with a good immune
system. I figured, if there's fecal matter on or inside my bird,
I'd rather wash it off and clean the kitchen than cook it and
eat it. Because....it's just ew, gross. Cooked fecal matter is
till fecal matter.
Now that I know about the risks of long-term chronic problems,
that's a different story. I appreciate your sharing that info!
#Post#: 19192--------------------------------------------------
Re: Doing dangerous things to stay "safe"
DIR By: RubyCat
Date: November 17, 2018, 1:58 pm
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My nurse practitioner told me one other possible problem with
keeping strictly gluten-free when you're not gluten intolerant
or celiac is that you can become glucose intolerant. I suppose
that might be like my nephew who was having some health problems
so he was sent for allergy testing and was found to have a
peanut allergy. He's an adult whose been eating peanuts all of
his life with absolutely no problems but I'm told that if he
totally cut them out and then started up eating them again, it
could be a problem for him.
#Post#: 19212--------------------------------------------------
Re: Doing dangerous things to stay "safe"
DIR By: peony
Date: November 17, 2018, 9:43 pm
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--- Quote from: Aleko link ---
>
> [quote]I rinse my chicken but I am careful not to splash, and
afterwards I go over my sink with soap and hot water. I disagree
with telling people not to rinse at all. Why not just tell
people to be careful of splashing and clean their sink after?
--- End Quote ---
Because however careful they are they will still be exposing
themselves, and everyone they cook for, to serious danger
(campylobacter can and does kill people, or leave them with
lifelong damage such as IBS, arthritis and Guillain-Barre
syndrome). Your sink may not be the only place contaminated,
because minute near-invisible water droplets travel a whole lot
further than anyone realises, and get on you, your clothes, and
your work surfaces for a considerable distance.
And all this risk for no possible benefit. None whatsoever. It
doesn't make your chicken in any way safer, and if anything it
makes the taste and texture worse, not better. If there's
anything on the surface of your meat that you don't like, such
as slime or blood, just wipe it off with kitchen paper; don't
wash!
Do explain though. You obviously know you are doing a dangerous
thing, and are mitigating the danger as best you can. Why are
you doing it at all? What benefit do you see that outweighs the
risk? I really would like to know.
[/quote]
No, I don't know that I am doing a dangerous thing at all. I
think it's way overblown by the "experts," as many things
nowadays seem to be. I rinse my chicken for the reason that I am
rinsing off anything that might have accumulated from sitting in
the package at the store for days, not to mention just old
juices, and it doesn't affect the taste at all. I and my family
have been doing chicken safely for many years by rinsing it
before cooking and then cleaning up afterwards and no one has
never gotten sick by doing it, not even once, and no one else I
know of who handles chicken in this manner has ever gotten sick
either. In my own opinion this advice about not washing one's
chicken is an instance of theory that sounds plausible but that
IRL just isn't true, and I think people need to chill out a
little about this issue.
Edited to add the reason I rinse my chicken off.
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