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       #Post#: 16774--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Crappy Family .... 
       By: bopper Date: October 22, 2018, 8:46 am
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       [quote author=vintagegal link=topic=745.msg16353#msg16353
       date=1539781100]
       do you want to rekindle the relationship? If so, accept the
       olive branch and go.
       If you are happy with the status quo, decline.
       [/quote]
       Exactly.  It may be that now that they have a child, they
       understand your point of view. They may want the cousins to
       interact.
       It also may be that you are another source of presents for their
       kid.
       If you have any interest in rekindling, then attend this party,
       and see how it goes. It doesn't mean you have to rekindle...just
       that you are taking stock of how things are. At that point you
       can decide to reach out more or not.
       #Post#: 16780--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Crappy Family .... 
       By: Rose Red Date: October 22, 2018, 9:03 am
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       The more I think about this, the more I think it's your mom
       orchestrating this.
       If your brother want to reach out, why would he do it by sending
       you a mass birthday invitation for a child you didn't even know
       exist? Most people would do it slowly. A call or text saying
       they're sorry or they miss you, then mention they had another
       baby.
       Since you were surprised by the cut, I'm even wondering if it
       was you or your mom who told your brother the real reason why
       your daughter was not allowed to stay over. If it's mom, maybe
       she feels guilty and want to "fix" it.
       #Post#: 16785--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Crappy Family .... 
       By: bopper Date: October 22, 2018, 9:09 am
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       I agree to see who sent this invite...if say your mom is hosting
       the party, she may be trying to orchestrate the 'happy family".
       Then I would try to reach out somehow and ask him what he thinks
       (if you would attend, if not, then ignore it)..."Bro, mom sent a
       invite to your son's birthday party...We are happy to attend,
       but I want to make sure this is something you are cool with and
       not just mom trying to force everyone together. I will respect
       your wishes either way."
       If your brother is the host, then take it at face value.
       #Post#: 16787--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Crappy Family .... 
       By: Bada Date: October 22, 2018, 9:32 am
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       [quote author=bopper link=topic=745.msg16785#msg16785
       date=1540217368]
       I agree to see who sent this invite...if say your mom is hosting
       the party, she may be trying to orchestrate the 'happy family".
       Then I would try to reach out somehow and ask him what he thinks
       (if you would attend, if not, then ignore it)..."Bro, mom sent a
       invite to your son's birthday party...We are happy to attend,
       but I want to make sure this is something you are cool with and
       not just mom trying to force everyone together. I will respect
       your wishes either way."
       If your brother is the host, then take it at face value.
       [/quote]
       But she has said she DOESN'T want to attend. She just wants to
       know if she should even bother to RSVP. People keep acting as if
       going to the party is an option when it's not for OP.
       #Post#: 16793--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Crappy Family .... 
       By: Aleko Date: October 22, 2018, 11:07 am
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       [quote]She just wants to know if she should even bother to
       RSVP.[/quote]
       Well, that one is simple. If she has actually received an
       invitation (by post, by email, whatever)
       from the actual host, of course she is obligated to RSVP. If
       this has not happened, and she has just been told by a third
       party that 'you'll be invited', then she hasn't had an
       invitation and so there is clearly nothing to reply to.
       #Post#: 16796--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Crappy Family .... 
       By: Jem Date: October 22, 2018, 11:35 am
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       It sounds like the OP is secure in her decision to not have her
       daughter around her brother and his partner. The OP doesn’t need
       to justify her decisions, just be secure in them.
       I am curious how the OP knows the brother and partner are still
       actively using illegal drugs? I am not clear on whether the
       partner is a man or a woman, but if a man I would imagine there
       was an adoption (which would have discovered the illegal drug
       use and stopped the adoption I would think), and if a woman I
       would assume some prenatal care, etc. that would have discovered
       the drug use and intervened. Is child services involved in some
       way?
       #Post#: 16811--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Crappy Family .... 
       By: bopper Date: October 22, 2018, 1:19 pm
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       Don't do anything until you have an actual invitation.
       Once you do, either RSVP no
       or if you are literally never going to have contact again then
       don't respond (as that is contact).
       #Post#: 16831--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Crappy Family .... 
       By: guest657 Date: October 22, 2018, 3:29 pm
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       As I read the OP, it was the brother who gave the cut direct.
       The OP refused to let the daughter stay at the house, but was
       fine to keep the lines of communication open in general.
       There's no need to go "black hole" here. Neither the brother nor
       anyone else is harassing OP. It's one invitation, that may or
       may not arrive, and that may or may not be from the brother.
       If a different relative is hosting, it would be quite
       aggressively rude to refuse to reply, as presumably you are on
       speaking terms with that relative. So just send a normal,
       polite, decline.
       If the brother is hosting, I think you should still reply. You
       didn't initiate the cutoff, so there's no need to be tit-for-tat
       about it. A polite decline is still the best way to go.
       If you think there might be a chance to pass a kind message to
       the children, a more personal note along with the RSVP would be
       a handy place to do it.
       After all, the children did nothing wrong. And if they are being
       raised by drug abusers, they will need all the outside contacts
       they can get.
       #Post#: 16847--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Crappy Family .... 
       By: TootsNYC Date: October 22, 2018, 4:36 pm
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       [quote author=Bada link=topic=745.msg16787#msg16787
       date=1540218732]
       [quote author=bopper link=topic=745.msg16785#msg16785
       date=1540217368]
       I agree to see who sent this invite...if say your mom is hosting
       the party, she may be trying to orchestrate the 'happy family".
       Then I would try to reach out somehow and ask him what he thinks
       (if you would attend, if not, then ignore it)..."Bro, mom sent a
       invite to your son's birthday party...We are happy to attend,
       but I want to make sure this is something you are cool with and
       not just mom trying to force everyone together. I will respect
       your wishes either way."
       If your brother is the host, then take it at face value.
       [/quote]
       But she has said she DOESN'T want to attend. She just wants to
       know if she should even bother to RSVP. People keep acting as if
       going to the party is an option when it's not for OP.
       [/quote]
       yeah, I had that same thought.
       And I would say, RSVP no in the way that provides the least
       possible contact. Be above reproach from other people, and dial
       down the drama. If only for your sake.
       #Post#: 16871--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Crappy Family .... 
       By: Nikko-chan Date: October 22, 2018, 9:48 pm
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       I agree with the others. RSVP no should an invitation come in
       the mail.
       And if your mother badgers you I would straight up ask her why
       in the heck she wants me to put my children around drug addicts.
       But then again I can be quite blunt.
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