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Re: ladies and men
DIR By: sandisadie
Date: October 14, 2018, 10:55 am
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My thoughts on this subject are that the term you use for people
depends on where you were brought up, and also the setting in
which you are using a term for people. An example in my life is
one time when I said to my step DIL "you folks", etc, etc. She
drew me aside later and told me in no uncertain terms to never
call her family "folks" again. Naturally, I didn't inquire as
to why, but I never used the phrase again in her presence.
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Re: ladies and men
DIR By: Thitpualso
Date: October 14, 2018, 11:04 am
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I need a little help here because I’m having problems looking up
the reference.
In the early 19th century there was an English woman who visited
the fledgling US of A and wrote about it. She was amused (and a
bit peeved) that every female person, including the chamber
maid, was called a ‘lady’ while she was referred to as ‘The
English woman’.
Who was this author?
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Re: ladies and men
DIR By: jpcher
Date: October 14, 2018, 1:00 pm
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Would this be it?
HTML https://www.amazon.com/Englishwoman-America-Isabella-Lucy-Bird-ebook/dp/B07FGFSQLN
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Re: ladies and men
DIR By: GardenGal
Date: October 14, 2018, 1:33 pm
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I totally get your irritation, TootsNYC. It sounds patronizing
to me.
My personal "ugh" moment is when the waiter/waitress says to our
table of only women, "What are you guys having?"
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Re: ladies and men
DIR By: Thitpualso
Date: October 14, 2018, 1:53 pm
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--- Quote from: GardenGal link ---
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> I totally get your irritation, TootsNYC. It sounds
patronizing to me.
>
> My personal "ugh" moment is when the waiter/waitress says to
our table of only women, "What are you guys having?"
>
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‘Guys’ in reference to women doesn’t bother me. Back in the
late 1960s I attended a women’s college and it was standard to
go into a student lounge and greet the assembled group with, ‘Hi
guys! What’s on TV tonight?’
We all did it and nobody thought anything off about it.
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Re: ladies and men
DIR By: gramma dishes
Date: October 14, 2018, 1:54 pm
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--- Quote from: RubyCat link ---
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> ...
>
> The men were not usually referred to as "gentlemen" as far as
I recall. They were probably referred to as "guys."
>
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I always think of the counterpart to "guys" as being "dolls".
Remember the music from the movie South Pacific where
girls/women were referred to as 'dames'? I always found that
offensive, but other people seem to find it complimentary.
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Re: ladies and men
DIR By: LurkingGurl
Date: October 14, 2018, 2:26 pm
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--- Quote from: TootsNYC link ---
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>
> Last week we started a new song in choir at my church, and it
begins with the female voices.
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> The label above the text didn't say "women"--which is what it
normally says. It said "ladies."
>
> However, when the song switched registered, it said "men."
Not "gentlemen"; men.
>
>
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The best way to address a choir is by voice part. Our voices
are our instruments and they have names--Soprano, Alto, Tenor,
and Bass. It's no different than an orchestra that has flutes
and oboes.
It's also not universal that all women sing the higher voiced
parts and the men that lower voiced parts.
There is no reason at all to refer to singers by gender.
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Re: ladies and men
DIR By: Lula
Date: October 14, 2018, 2:34 pm
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"(You) guys" is the equivalent of the US Southern "y'all." It
doesn't sound "male" to my US Midwestern ears at all, as long as
it's used in second person. If you refer to "those guys," then
I assume you're talking about a group of males.
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Re: ladies and men
DIR By: TootsNYC
Date: October 14, 2018, 4:16 pm
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--- Quote from: LifeOnPluto link ---
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> I get where you're coming from Toots. It slightly bugs me
during weddings when the Minister/celebrant says "I now
pronounce you man and wife" (why not HUSBAND and wife?) and "You
may kiss the bride" (why not "You may kiss each other"? Why is
only the Groom addressed?).
>
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actually, I think the Book of Common Prayer DOES say "husband"
And the celebrant is changing it.
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Re: ladies and men
DIR By: TootsNYC
Date: October 14, 2018, 4:17 pm
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--- Quote from: Thitpualso link ---
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> [quote author=vintagegal link=topic=737.msg16108#msg16108
date=1539528444]
> I hate when people use the word "female" to refer to a woman,
as in, "My boyfriend was talking to some female.."
>
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Oh, yes. It makes my spine crawl when a police officer on TV
talks about the perp as a ‘female’. She’s human. She’s either
a woman or a girl. Very few non-human females commit crimes.
‘Gentleman’ in reference to a mugger also bothers me greatly.
[/quote]
I will say I heard cops on the witness stand use "male" instead
of "man."
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