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Re: How In-salt-ing
DIR By: Two Ravens
Date: October 5, 2018, 8:46 am
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> [quote author=Two Ravens link=topic=720.msg15434#msg15434
date=1538744495]
> [quote author=Aleko link=topic=720.msg15432#msg15432
date=1538741885]
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> First off, I don't think this is anything like as established
an 'etiquette rule' as all that. Just because some people on the
internet say so, doesn't mean it's true - think of all the
wedding-planning sites that confidently state 'it's OK to ask on
the invitation for money as a wedding present' or 'the groom's
family pay for the drinks and music at the reception'.
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While, again, I couldn’t care less what people do, it is
incorrect to dismiss this as a rule by “people on the internet.”
It’s been around since at least the 1940’s.
[/quote]
Can you provide a different source that states the rule applies
in all situations? Because the source you linked to previously
only gave 2 instances where it was impolite to season prior to
tasting:
1. When dining at a white table cloth restaurant with no salt on
the table.
2. When eating a home prepared meal.
However, I have never found a rule that states when a solo diner
is eating at a fast casual spot that they must taste their food
prior to salting it.
I have also never found a rule that states I must taste my
scrambled eggs whether served at home or in a restaurant prior
to adding salt or pepper to them.
I have also never found rule that states I must taste my salad
prior to adding salt or pepper.
Do you really believe the rule always applies?
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What?! I have said multiple times that I don’t give a [blank]
what people do to their food. Why would you think I believe that
the rule always applies? All I was stating is that this rule
with not made up by people on the Internet.
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Re: How In-salt-ing
DIR By: Hmmm
Date: October 5, 2018, 10:25 am
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--- Quote from: Two Ravens link ---
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> [quote author=Hmmm link=topic=720.msg15436#msg15436
date=1538746270]
> [quote author=Two Ravens link=topic=720.msg15434#msg15434
date=1538744495]
> [quote author=Aleko link=topic=720.msg15432#msg15432
date=1538741885]
>
> First off, I don't think this is anything like as established
an 'etiquette rule' as all that. Just because some people on the
internet say so, doesn't mean it's true - think of all the
wedding-planning sites that confidently state 'it's OK to ask on
the invitation for money as a wedding present' or 'the groom's
family pay for the drinks and music at the reception'.
>
--- End Quote ---
While, again, I couldn’t care less what people do, it is
incorrect to dismiss this as a rule by “people on the internet.”
It’s been around since at least the 1940’s.
[/quote]
Can you provide a different source that states the rule applies
in all situations? Because the source you linked to previously
only gave 2 instances where it was impolite to season prior to
tasting:
1. When dining at a white table cloth restaurant with no salt on
the table.
2. When eating a home prepared meal.
However, I have never found a rule that states when a solo diner
is eating at a fast casual spot that they must taste their food
prior to salting it.
I have also never found a rule that states I must taste my
scrambled eggs whether served at home or in a restaurant prior
to adding salt or pepper to them.
I have also never found rule that states I must taste my salad
prior to adding salt or pepper.
Do you really believe the rule always applies?
[/quote]
What?! I have said multiple times that I don’t give a [blank]
what people do to their food. Why would you think I believe that
the rule always applies? All I was stating is that this rule
with not made up by people on the Internet.
[/quote]
Because you've said at least twice that it is incorrect to
dismiss the rule. Maybe I'm misinterpreting what you are saying.
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Re: How In-salt-ing
DIR By: Two Ravens
Date: October 5, 2018, 10:45 am
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--- Quote from: Hmmm link ---
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> Because you've said at least twice that it is incorrect to
dismiss the rule. Maybe I'm misinterpreting what you are saying.
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--- End Quote ---
Yes, you are misinterpreting what I’m saying.
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Re: How In-salt-ing
DIR By: lmyrs
Date: October 5, 2018, 11:55 am
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approximately 3 minutes of google:
HTML https://wedontlunch.wordpress.com/2010/06/12/emily-post-says/
Don’t salt and pepper your food before tasting it.
HTML https://www.etiquettescholar.com/dining_etiquette/table_manners_3.html
Taste Before Salting. Be sure to taste the food before putting
salt or pepper on it.
HTML https://www.gentlemansgazette.com/table-etiquette-guide-informal-dining-manners/
Always taste your food before seasoning it.
HTML https://blog.reserve.com/table-manners
No matter where you’re eating, taste a bite of your food before
you reach for extra seasonings. The chef has worked hard to
prepare your meal, and premature seasoning isn’t a great way to
show appreciation. For this reason, some people avoid extra
seasoning all together so they don’t look rude, but there’s no
need. Salt and pepper and any other seasonings found on the
table are for you to use, so don’t shy away from a shake or two
if the dish could use a boost.
HTML https://www.lefoodist.com/guides/cooking-classes-paris/cookingparis112.html
Because it's such a universal condiment, knowing when to salt or
not can be a difficult decision. However, as a general rule, you
should try to at least take a bite before
HTML https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-drink/chefs-worst-behavior-things-diner-do-kitchen-salt-hot-sauce-wedgwood-rogan-duck-waffle-a7967886.html
The worst thing a diner can do is put salt and pepper on their
food before they have even tried it. Seasoning is individual to
palate but they could at least give it a go first.
HTML https://www.sandiegomagazine.com/Blogs/SD-Food-News/Winter-2017/You-Cant-Be-Trusted-With-Salt-and-Pepper-and-Heres-Why/
So here’s the deal. Taste the food first. Don’t touch the salt
or pepper. See how the chef has presented the dish. One bite is
all they ask. If you find it lacking in salt, pepper, or
anything else, most unpretentious chefs I’ve spoken to say they
won’t be offended if you ask for a little more.
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Re: How In-salt-ing
DIR By: Rose Red
Date: October 5, 2018, 12:02 pm
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^ Like I said, guidelines not the law. Everything in life have
guidelines but individual circumstances matter.
What you do in with your own food and in your own social circle
is your own business. And in this thread, we are not talking
about formal dinner parties or even 5 star restaurants*. We are
talking about fast food and hanging out with friends/family.
* Even in 5 star restaurants, my opinion is you can still salt
before tasting. A waiter or cook can think anything they want
behind my back but I'd be put off if they publicly scold me for
that, especially when service is suppose to be superior in such
places. You are still paying them for service; not the other way
around.
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Re: How In-salt-ing
DIR By: lmyrs
Date: October 5, 2018, 12:10 pm
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Yes, because I obviously think that it's illegal to salt your
food before tasting it. That is clearly the case.
All etiquette is "guidelines". None of it is the "law". I'm just
saying that I find it fascinating that an entire board of people
dedicated to understanding and promoting those guidelines has
chosen this one in particular to arbitrarily decide it's just
not worth it. I suppose it's also OK to put registry cards in
invitations, have multiple baby showers and force everyone to
attend all of them, throw a hissy fit when no one attends my
destination wedding and quit writing thank you cards. After all:
those are all just guidelines, not the law.
And there are a number of people on this thread saying that they
are indeed talking about going out to fancy restaurants. The
exact wording over and over was that if they're paying for the
meal, the etiquette guideline does not apply.
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Re: How In-salt-ing
DIR By: Rose Red
Date: October 5, 2018, 12:17 pm
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I updated my opinion regarding 5 star restaurants. Yes, I do
think you can salt your food before tasting at such places. Rude
is making a big show of doing it.
And there are circles and cultures that have multiple baby
showers, put registry in invitations, have dollar dances, cash
bars and "no boxed gifts."
Throwing hissy fits are never accepted, but all those other
things can be accepted. You are talking in extremes. Life is not
all or nothing.
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Re: How In-salt-ing
DIR By: Hmmm
Date: October 5, 2018, 12:50 pm
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> Yes, because I obviously think that it's illegal to salt your
food before tasting it. That is clearly the case.
>
> All etiquette is "guidelines". None of it is the "law". I'm
just saying that I find it fascinating that an entire board of
people dedicated to understanding and promoting those guidelines
has chosen this one in particular to arbitrarily decide it's
just not worth it. I suppose it's also OK to put registry cards
in invitations, have multiple baby showers and force everyone to
attend all of them, throw a hissy fit when no one attends my
destination wedding and quit writing thank you cards. After all:
those are all just guidelines, not the law.
>
> And there are a number of people on this thread saying that
they are indeed talking about going out to fancy restaurants.
The exact wording over and over was that if they're paying for
the meal, the etiquette guideline does not apply.
>
--- End Quote ---
So I only found about 4 people saying that it is ok to salt
before tasting if you are in a commercial establishment. So I
don't think it is an entire board.
I also don't understand why you don't acknowledge that there are
times when the rule does not apply, like when eating breakfast
or when dining at a fast casual (such as the OP was) and you've
had the same meal many times.
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Re: How In-salt-ing
DIR By: Twik
Date: October 5, 2018, 1:14 pm
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I would say it's rude for anyone, but *particularly* restaurant
staff, to pay such close attention to diners as to be
immediately aware of whether they took a bite and seasoned, or
seasoned then took a bite.
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Re: How In-salt-ing
DIR By: Frogjuice
Date: October 5, 2018, 4:18 pm
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As a general, personal rule of thumb my tastebuds are my
tastebuds and not anyone else's, and even within my direct
family there is a range of preferences from an aversion to salt
akin to a slug , scaling up to my mum's dinner plate which
looks like a light snowfall has settled.
We work on the principle that less is best during cooking - and
add to taste without taking offence because we're family.
We don't expect everyone to have the same tastes when it comes
to other foodstuffs ( marmite, cilantro, brussels sprouts .... )
so its peculiar that this one seasoning has hit the spotlight.
If I'm eating out - and paying - I'll add salt if i want to,
although I'd take a bite to determine baseline, if i'd never had
the dish before.
I agree with another poster who indicated that it is more
offensive, if we are trying to avoid offending the cook, to
taste the meal and then season ( your cooking is inadequate ) ,
rather than to dust the meal with salt before tucking in (
habitual salter, force of habit ).
There doesn't seem to be an issue with black pepper - most
italian restaurants I've been to have the waiters flourishing
gigantic grinders with no condemnation for saying yes or no
when offered.
The etiquette suggestions I've heard ( UK, north of england )
are all around salt, and not other seasonings or condiments.
Salt in itself has a lot of religious significance,
superstition, mythology and history behind it.
A lot of etiquette seems to have a history too, and is fluid -
changing with time and location. I'm curious therefore : Is the
no pre salting guideline always been to avoid offending a cook,
and how long has it been that way ?
In the past, dishes of salt available for guests free use were
a sign of prosperity.
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