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Special Needs Child told to stop cheering
By: LurkingGurl Date: September 26, 2018, 1:29 pm
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HTML http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2018/09/26/astros-fan-with-special-needs-8-scolded-for-cheering-team-mom-says.html
I looked up the video and it's literally cut to just the point
where you hear the woman yell "Enough!"
I might just have a suspicious mind but it seems like it was
edited that way so that people could not make up their own minds
about whether what this child was doing was over the line or
not. It's also suspicious to me that they don't describe in any
way what the little girl was doing except for saying that she
was "cheering."
It's true that fans in a stadium can get really loud. But, it's
also true that little girls can make sounds that are high
pitched and painful to the ear--which is what I suspect may have
elicited the response from the person in front of them.
But, I could be wrong. Perhaps the woman was just a curmudgeon
who doesn't like children.
What do you all think?
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Re: Special Needs Child told to stop cheeringhttps://abc13.com/s
ociety/girl-with-rare-disorder-left-
By: Dazi Date: September 26, 2018, 1:52 pm
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Here's a video with more of what the child was doing prior to
the scolding
HTML https://abc13.com/society/girl-with-rare-disorder-left-in-tears-at-astros-game/4339439/
TBH, imo, her behavior wasn't anymore rambunctious than anyone
else there. She acted like an excited child. It didn't appear
she was doing that high-pitched squealing. A sporting event is
an appropriate place for people to express exuberance. It's like
going in Chucky Cheese and expecting kids to be sitting there
quiet. Ha!
The woman needs to get over herself.
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Re: Special Needs Child told to stop cheeringhttps://abc13.com/s
ociety/girl-with-rare-disorder-left-
By: LurkingGurl Date: September 26, 2018, 2:14 pm
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[quote author=Dazi link=topic=703.msg14628#msg14628
date=1537987940]
Here's a video with more of what the child was doing prior to
the scolding
HTML https://abc13.com/society/girl-with-rare-disorder-left-in-tears-at-astros-game/4339439/
TBH, imo, her behavior wasn't anymore rambunctious than anyone
else there. She acted like an excited child. It didn't appear
she was doing that high-pitched squealing. A sporting event is
an appropriate place for people to express exuberance. It's like
going in Chucky Cheese and expecting kids to be sitting there
quiet. Ha!
The woman needs to get over herself.
[/quote]
After seeing that I would agree. However, I would also agree
that mom and the kid need to get over themselves too. If having
a stranger yell one word at you is going to break your heart,
you need to toughen up a bit.
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Re: Special Needs Child told to stop cheering
By: Dazi Date: September 26, 2018, 3:30 pm
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Actually, now after thinking about it, I wonder if the "enough"
comment wasn't actually in reference to her cheering. She's in
some kind of kid booster seat. I'm betting the way she is
kicking and flailing her arms in excitement, she's actually
kicking the woman's seat in front of her. Kind of like how kids
do when they are sitting behind adults in the car or in an
airplane. Because if that's the case, I've yelled at more than
one kid to stop kicking my damn seat over the years. It's
annoying as crap.
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Re: Special Needs Child told to stop cheering
By: frog24 Date: September 26, 2018, 3:40 pm
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[quote author=Dazi link=topic=703.msg14635#msg14635
date=1537993818]
Because if that's the case, I've yelled at more than one kid to
stop kicking my damn seat over the years. It's annoying as crap.
[/quote]
Yes, Dazi, but those were your own kids.... it's allowed. :D
;)
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Re: Special Needs Child told to stop cheering
By: Dazi Date: September 26, 2018, 3:45 pm
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[quote author=frog24 link=topic=703.msg14638#msg14638
date=1537994403]
[quote author=Dazi link=topic=703.msg14635#msg14635
date=1537993818]
Because if that's the case, I've yelled at more than one kid to
stop kicking my damn seat over the years. It's annoying as crap.
[/quote]
Yes, Dazi, but those were your own kids.... it's allowed. :D
;)
[/quote]
Actually, no. I don't have any children. These incidents were
exclusively on planes where for whatever reason, the parents
were not seated with the children and the parents were not close
enough for me to hunt down to have them correct their kids.
Also, they were obviously old enough to know better, and not to
break down sobbing when an adult who was not their parent told
them to stop kicking their seat.
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Re: Special Needs Child told to stop cheering
By: dani321 Date: September 28, 2018, 11:46 am
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[quote author=Dazi link=topic=703.msg14635#msg14635
date=1537993818]
Actually, now after thinking about it, I wonder if the "enough"
comment wasn't actually in reference to her cheering. She's in
some kind of kid booster seat. I'm betting the way she is
kicking and flailing her arms in excitement, she's actually
kicking the woman's seat in front of her. Kind of like how kids
do when they are sitting behind adults in the car or in an
airplane. Because if that's the case, I've yelled at more than
one kid to stop kicking my damn seat over the years. It's
annoying as crap.
[/quote]
In the video, the girl wasn't kicking her legs at all. And the
lady who yelled at her was a couple of seats down, not directly
in front of her, so she wouldn't have been kicking her seat
anyway. I looked up the video online so that it wasn't inter-cut
with the interview, and the one that was on twitter shows the
woman turning around and saying "enough" and the little girl
just looks so deflated, it really made me sad. You see her
nodding to the lady, and then you hear someone ask her what she
said, and the little girl just says "I don't know". Even for an
8 year old without a disability, that would be really mean.
Knowing that she has trouble processing her emotions, that makes
it even worse. They are not in a library, it's a ball game, and
fans are supposed to cheer - maybe the little girl didn't stop,
but that's part of being at the game, you might have people
around that annoy you. I'll take an excited kid over a
belligerent drunk anyday ;D
Something similar could have happened to a young, special needs
relative of mine. He doesn't act his age, because mentally, he's
not his age. I'm sure there are lots of times that strangers
think he's just a brat, and sure, he is sometimes because we all
are brats on occasion! (lol) But mostly when he's acting out,
it's because he can't process everything the way other kids can.
Since he looks "normal", a lot of people may assume he's just a
bad kid. I think we'd all benefit from giving extra grace when
we can. We never know the battles someone else is fighting.
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Re: Special Needs Child told to stop cheering
By: frog24 Date: September 28, 2018, 3:21 pm
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They should take that little girl to a ballroom dancing
competition. Not only is cheering allowed, it's encouraged!
(And the dancers really appreciate hearing their numbers called
out).
Dazi: You were absolutely correct in asking a child to stop
kicking your seat (no question on that, even!). If it's
supposed to "take a village" to raise a child, then any adult
should be able to politely ask for a modification in behavior.
"Please stop kicking my seat", "please keep your legs down",
etc., are all perfectly reasonable requests.
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Re: Special Needs Child told to stop cheering
By: Hmmm Date: September 28, 2018, 5:22 pm
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I think the woman should have addressed the parents. But I can
have some sympathy for the woman if sitting in front of someone
cheering non-stop for hours.
I personally think the parents are using this as attention
seeking. The parents talk about the little girl crying but the
only video you see is her Dad asking her what the woman said to
her and she shrugged her shoulders. The woman obviously wasn't
so loud in her comment that the Dad even heard it.
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Re: Special Needs Child told to stop cheering
By: OnyxBird Date: September 28, 2018, 6:14 pm
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I just watched the video from the article linked in the second
post, and my overall impression is that the little girl is the
most mature person involved in this situation. All of the adults
involved, including the reporters, seem to be exaggerating the
situation in whatever way suits them. The woman in the video
appeared to be rudely snapping at her over a not-outrageous
amount of noise/cheering for the setting (but that may have been
legitimately unusual and annoying if the same level of cheering
was non-stop--a polite request to tone down the volume may have
been completely appropriate). The parents and reporters appear
to be focusing on how the cheering helps Chloe without really
acknowledging how it might impact other people (they talk about
it being her outlet, not, e.g., that it's in line with the
normal levels of cheering from fans). And the reporter in that
video describes the woman's comment as being right before Chloe
"burst into tears," while Chloe in the video actually just
quieted down and acted subdued--no obvious "tears" at all, much
less the dramatic outburst implied by the reporter.
Chloe herself, on the other hand, was asked how the woman's
comment made her feel and said, sadly but calmly, "a little bit
guilty...'cause I'm annoying and usually nobody says that to
me." This 8-year-old with an emotional disorder is capable of
recognizing what the adults seem to be glossing over: that her
behavior can be annoying to people even if she didn't mean to be
(whether or not the annoyed person is reasonable in either
expectations or response) and that most people (at least people
who know about her emotional disorder) will probably not tell
her she's being annoying, even if she is annoying them.
Certainly the adults should challenge the general conclusion
"I'm annoying" and make it clear that she is not "annoying" in
general, but that specific behaviors can be annoying to people.
Certainly they should teach her that some people have
unreasonable expectations and that one person being annoyed does
not necessarily mean her behavior was inappropriate. Certainly
they should teach her that a person being annoyed does not give
that person license to act cruelly or nastily to the person
annoying them. But why blow this up into a media drama about a
mean woman yelling at a "special needs" child when the child
herself seems to be handling it very maturely? She's an
8-year-old who got snapped at by a strange adult--yes, she
probably needs some reassurance from trusted adults that the
person who snapped at her was acting rudely and shouldn't have
done that (even if she had reason to be annoyed) and some
external help to moderate the impact of her behavior on others
(e.g., her own adults telling/signaling her if she needs to
lower her volume or take a little break from constant cheering
to stay in line with the normal level of fan noise, rather than
relying on her--an excited child enjoying the game--to
self-police). But all of that would be true regardless of
whether she had this disorder or not.
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