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       Re: Mil leaves one grandchild out consistently 
   DIR By: Model
       Date: August 9, 2018, 10:11 am
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       > Read this before you get her too involved:
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  HTML https://narcissisticmil.wordpress.com/2015/07/11/grandparent-grooming-1-what-it-looks-like/
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       This it is a very interesting read,  I'm not seeing any
       connection with this and the OP's situation.
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       Re: Mil leaves one grandchild out consistently 
   DIR By: GfMama
       Date: August 9, 2018, 10:57 am
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       > Read this before you get her too involved:
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  HTML https://narcissisticmil.wordpress.com/2015/07/11/grandparent-grooming-1-what-it-looks-like/
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       Im quite versed in narcissism as I was raised by one (mom). I
       don’t think mil is necessarily a narc or toxic. She is the
       strong matriarchal/martyr type of the family but definitely not
       completely toxic (everyone has one or two situations where they
       could claim toxicity). Thank you for attempting to explain
       though. She is a bit controlling/guilting but not a narc.
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       Re: Mil leaves one grandchild out consistently 
   DIR By: wonderfullyanonymous
       Date: August 9, 2018, 11:13 am
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       Never mind, I managed to mix this post and the other Grandma
       post up.
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       Re: Mil leaves one grandchild out consistently 
   DIR By: Sycorax
       Date: August 9, 2018, 3:46 pm
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       From what you've posted about your MIL, OP, I don't see why you
       just can't ask if your kid could be included in the Grandma
       camp.
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       Re: Mil leaves one grandchild out consistently 
   DIR By: bopper
       Date: August 10, 2018, 1:11 pm
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       > [quote author=bopper link=topic=591.msg11101#msg11101
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       > Read this before you get her too involved:
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  HTML https://narcissisticmil.wordpress.com/2015/07/11/grandparent-grooming-1-what-it-looks-like/
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       This it is a very interesting read,  I'm not seeing any
       connection with this and the OP's situation.
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       like I said, the grandma could be clueless or toxic. IF toxic,
       the narcissist types start separating the "golden children" from
       the "Scapegoats". Teh OPs child could be one of the scapegoats.
       Then Grandma wants full control over the kids (grandma camp) to
       groom them to think how great grandma is an to be able to start
       influencing her power over them.
       #Post#: 11397--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Mil leaves one grandchild out consistently 
   DIR By: GardenGal
       Date: August 14, 2018, 2:42 pm
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       Any update?  OP - Did you have a conversation with your MIL?
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       Re: Mil leaves one grandchild out consistently 
   DIR By: GfMama
       Date: August 14, 2018, 3:05 pm
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       I actually did was was planning to update. My hubby just got
       home so I have a few free minutes to update. So......
       we were at mil house this weekend. We arrived a bit before the
       others (their kids have Weekend sports and activities) and so I
       asked if she was doing grandma camp this summer. She said yes,
       then asked “why, are you interested?” I beamed! I was so happy
       thinking everyone here was right, mil must have been waiting for
       me to ask. I gushed. I told her that ds would absolutely LOVE to
       attend and that I could come and help out. I said we didn’t have
       to come every day but I thought that ds would love to be
       included!! 🙌 she then asked if older daughter was home
       from cousins yet and I said yes and told her when dd got home
       and how much fun she had. Mil suggested maybe dd could watch ds.
       I agreed that it would be ok to send dd with ds instead of me to
       help out. Mil then said that what she meant was maybe dd could
       stay at home and watch ds while *i* helped out :/ “you want me
       to leave ds at home to be babysit while *i* come to grandma
       camp?” Lol. I’m so glad dh was there to actually hear that.
       Before I even gathered my thoughts dh said that there was no way
       that would work out. Mil went on to explain that if ds was there
       while I was there, I’d be more likely to just help ds and not
       all the kids. I took the opportunity to tell her that in the
       future, she shouldn’t tell ds about grandma camp and how much
       fun it was if he wasn’t invited. She thought it was weird that I
       didn’t want her to “talk to ds” but I gave the handy dandy
       example of not talking about bday parties to others that weren’t
       invited.
       I think I got my answer though. Mil seems overwhelmed with four
       kids at once and would like help. It still doesn’t answer why
       she’s never once asked for ds on his own for an activity but
       it’s dealt with and put on a shelf. I’ll remind her the next
       time we go after camp to not mention it.
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       Re: Mil leaves one grandchild out consistently 
   DIR By: chigger
       Date: August 14, 2018, 3:17 pm
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       My advice is to pack up your kids and yourself, and flee this
       f'd up family!  Your husband sucks and he learned it from his
       mother! I believe you were BlendedFamily on the old board and
       the shit that came your way from both your husband and his
       family is off the rails and you really need to protect yourself
       and walk away.
       #Post#: 11421--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Mil leaves one grandchild out consistently 
   DIR By: lacoloratura
       Date: August 14, 2018, 10:27 pm
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       Wow. I suspect I would have been struck speechless, but if I'd
       have had the presence of mind, I'd have said something like,
       "Wow. Thank you for showing me exactly where my child stands
       with you" - and then she would never have seen or spoken to me
       or my child again.
       #Post#: 11423--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Mil leaves one grandchild out consistently 
   DIR By: lakey
       Date: August 14, 2018, 11:51 pm
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       Congrats for letting your MIL know where you stand. You can't
       force her to treat your son better, but you can protect him from
       her discussing this in front of him. It sounds like she is just
       too clueless or self centered to understand how wrong it is for
       her to discuss Grandma Camp in front of him. You are on the
       right track in dealing with her.
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