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#Post#: 7805--------------------------------------------------
Re: Public Spaces and Wedding Parties
DIR By: Jem
Date: July 4, 2018, 10:21 pm
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I am reminded of when my mom, daughter and I went to NYC last
summer. There are places that are just “known photo spots” -
like the LOVE statue, or various statues in Central Park. For
the most part, people were kind to everyone, waiting in line and
staying out of other people’s photo ops. And then there were the
people who purposefully ruined other people’s photos. Is it a
public space? Well, yes, but these people were purposefully rude
by intentionally getting in photos where they knew they were not
wanted. I see this situation how I saw that. Can the sunbather
be wherever she wants to be? Yep! “Should” she? Well, not unless
she wants to be a jerk.
#Post#: 7807--------------------------------------------------
Re: Public Spaces and Wedding Parties
DIR By: baritone108
Date: July 4, 2018, 10:45 pm
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The photographer can easily remove that sunbather from the
photos with Photoshop. It's much ado about nothing.
#Post#: 7820--------------------------------------------------
Re: Public Spaces and Wedding Parties
DIR By: Candle
Date: July 5, 2018, 8:19 am
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--- Quote from: Jem link ---
>
> I am reminded of when my mom, daughter and I went to NYC last
summer. There are places that are just “known photo spots” -
like the LOVE statue, or various statues in Central Park. For
the most part, people were kind to everyone, waiting in line and
staying out of other people’s photo ops. And then there were the
people who purposefully ruined other people’s photos. Is it a
public space? Well, yes, but these people were purposefully rude
by intentionally getting in photos where they knew they were not
wanted. I see this situation how I saw that. Can the sunbather
be wherever she wants to be? Yep! “Should” she? Well, not unless
she wants to be a jerk.
>
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I'd agree with you, if the wedding party had gotten there first
and the sunbather got in the middle of it and laid down. Then
she would be the rude one. The wedding party can ask her to
move, but if she refuses there's nothing they can do about it.
It would have been nice of her to move, and I probably would
have, but she didn't have to. Switching it around, if it was my
wedding and I ran into this, I would be disappointed and
annoyed, but I wouldn't make a huge deal out of it. I'd either
work around her and have her edited out of the pictures, or I'd
find another place nearby.
#Post#: 7823--------------------------------------------------
Re: Public Spaces and Wedding Parties
DIR By: DaDancingPsych
Date: July 5, 2018, 8:29 am
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If I was the HC, I probably would not have asked her to move.
She was there first and this is the risk of getting photos in a
public place. And as someone else pointed out, a good
photographer would be creative and work around her. (Heck, I
think it would be rather funny to have someone sunbathing in the
back of a few photos, although I would guess that it would be
rude to photograph her without her permission.) If anything, I
would have probably asked if she minded that we take a few
shoots near her.
Now, if I was the sunbather and was asked politely, I would
probably move a bit. Even if I was not asked, I would probably
take the hint and give them a bit more space. I try to be
considerate of others and share the space. But I have certainly
witnessed groups taking photos and not doing the same for
others.
#Post#: 7831--------------------------------------------------
Re: Public Spaces and Wedding Parties
DIR By: Hmmm
Date: July 5, 2018, 8:38 am
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I don't think they should have asked her to move. What someone
should have done upon first arrival is say "I am so sorry, but
your peaceful retreat is about to be invaded. We have about 20
people in a wedding party on their way to take photos. We'll try
to not disturb you. We'll probably only be here for a half hour
or so."
Then the sunbather could decide if she is comfortable having 20
people surrounding her for the next half hour or if she would
like to move a little further away.
#Post#: 7834--------------------------------------------------
Re: Public Spaces and Wedding Parties
DIR By: Thitpualso
Date: July 5, 2018, 8:42 am
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I worked in a museum adjacent to a botanic garden and would
often stroll there at lunch. Because I was wearing a museum ID,
visitors felt safe asking me to take their pictures. I was
happy to do so...up to a point.
There were people who wanted a picture of ‘little sweetums’
sitting smack in the middle of a hill of daffodils. A picture
standing on the path was fine. One sitting in the middle of the
bed was verboten. I don’t know how often I had to chase people
out of fragile areas.
#Post#: 7868--------------------------------------------------
Re: Public Spaces and Wedding Parties
DIR By: DaDancingPsych
Date: July 5, 2018, 12:22 pm
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--- Quote from: Thitpualso link ---
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> There were people who wanted a picture of ‘little sweetums’
sitting smack in the middle of a hill of daffodils. A picture
standing on the path was fine. One sitting in the middle of the
bed was verboten. I don’t know how often I had to chase people
out of fragile areas.
>
--- End Quote ---
My parents recently took a huge 3 month road trip around the
country, so they ran into a lot of tourists taking photos of
their kids. They were appalled by the number of people
photographing their children in inconsiderate or even dangerous
ways. A few times they decided to leave as they could not bear
to be witness to an accident.
#Post#: 7888--------------------------------------------------
Re: Public Spaces and Wedding Parties
DIR By: NFPwife
Date: July 5, 2018, 1:54 pm
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--- Quote from: DaDancingPsych link ---
>
> [quote author=Thitpualso link=topic=449.msg7834#msg7834
date=1530798129]
> There were people who wanted a picture of ‘little sweetums’
sitting smack in the middle of a hill of daffodils. A picture
standing on the path was fine. One sitting in the middle of the
bed was verboten. I don’t know how often I had to chase people
out of fragile areas.
>
--- End Quote ---
My parents recently took a huge 3 month road trip around the
country, so they ran into a lot of tourists taking photos of
their kids. They were appalled by the number of people
photographing their children in inconsiderate or even dangerous
ways. A few times they decided to leave as they could not bear
to be witness to an accident.
[/quote]
My husband and I are similar. We were at our local zoo and
parents had children perched on a wall above a wild dog display.
My DH said something to the effect of "One of them is going to
fall, I don't want to see it," and we walked off and didn't view
the dogs from that observation area. Within a couple months, a
child had fallen into the exhibit and the outcome was fatal.
To the OP, I think the sunbather could have moved, but that
would be going and beyond for the couple. She was there first
and had just as much, if not more, "claim" to the public space.
Just because you're in wedding attire doesn't mean the world
stops for you.
I'm in NYC about 12 times a year and I'm constantly commenting
"Everyone is on a photo shoot." I see professional photogs and
their subjects from the Bowery to Harlem. I've run into two
circumstances where the shoot actually had permits and,
technically, that was a movie and a TV episode. Everyone just
has to work around people who are out and about. The last time
we were in Central Park, teens were taking prom pics on one of
the stone bridges. Like another poster, I found them to be very
considerate, they'd run in for a shot or two and then run off
and allow pedestrians to pass. They thanked everyone who waited.
We waited for another couple to take pictures of their recent
graduate in the park and, instead of snapping one or two, they
took several and were checking the shot and re-taking. Then,
moving mom in, then dad, etc. etc. All while expecting us to
wait to walk through. My husband is naturally more patient and
he'd had enough; I made eye contact with another couple on the
other side of the bridge and they were just as "over it." We all
walked, simultaneously, through the shoot.
#Post#: 7946--------------------------------------------------
Re: Public Spaces and Wedding Parties
DIR By: DCGirl
Date: July 6, 2018, 9:36 am
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--- Quote from: DaDancingPsych link ---
>
> [quote author=Thitpualso link=topic=449.msg7834#msg7834
date=1530798129]
> There were people who wanted a picture of ‘little sweetums’
sitting smack in the middle of a hill of daffodils. A picture
standing on the path was fine. One sitting in the middle of the
bed was verboten. I don’t know how often I had to chase people
out of fragile areas.
>
--- End Quote ---
My parents recently took a huge 3 month road trip around the
country, so they ran into a lot of tourists taking photos of
their kids. They were appalled by the number of people
photographing their children in inconsiderate or even dangerous
ways. A few times they decided to leave as they could not bear
to be witness to an accident.
[/quote]
My husband and I went to Assateague Island, which has a national
park that is home to a herd of wild ponies. At the visitors
center, there is an informational video about the ponies (how
they got there, how they survive, etc.) and how to enjoy the
park. It explicitly says that, while they ponies are accustomed
to people, they are still wild and can be dangerous (i.e., if
they are spooked and kick) and that there have been serious
injuries when people have gotten too close. I can't tell how
many parents we saw encouraging children to get closer to a
group of ponies who'd wandered into the parking lot so that Mom
and Dad could take a picture. It was really scary.
#Post#: 7951--------------------------------------------------
Re: Public Spaces and Wedding Parties
DIR By: Despedina
Date: July 6, 2018, 9:58 am
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The wedding party has to share the space. This reminds me of a
couple of incidents. The first was last year.
Our scout group of about 60 went hiking in a popular new park.
The pavilion they have there is non-reservable so first come /
first serve. When we came back from our hike a group had set up
for a memorial of some sort with drinks on several of the
tables. Our group shared the space and sat at some of the
unoccupied tables. A young lady came over to me and told me to
tell "my people" to move. I explained to her that the pavilion
is non reserveable and we would have to share the space and "my
people" would be leaving in about 10 minutes anyway. They were
pretty ticked. I don't know how they expected to have a private
get together at one of the most popular brand new parks in the
area on a beautiful fall day.
The other was at a more local park to where I live. My kids and
I went to a local covered bridge for an afternoon. While we were
walking in the woods a HUGE group of homecoming kids with their
parents showed up for photos. There is a max of maybe 10 parking
spaces in the park as its a pretty small park. Everyone parked
their cars wherever and blocked each other in and blocked ME in
also. I went over to the group and asked them to please move
their cars so people could leave. I was stared at. Finally a mom
told me they were there for photos and it would be about half an
hour or so. I told them they could move or I could call a tow
truck. They moved pretty fast after that.
So basically if you go to a shared space you have to actually
share the space and not inconvenience others without good
reason. The sun bather was not hurting anyone. If she didn't
want to move she didn't have to.
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