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Re: Office Food Thieves Getting Caught: Do Tell!
By: pierrotlunaire0 Date: July 8, 2018, 4:19 pm
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That story takes entitlement to a new level.
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Re: Office Food Thieves Getting Caught: Do Tell!
By: Venus193 Date: July 8, 2018, 6:50 pm
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I would have not given her a second chance. She would have been
escorted out the door.
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Re: Office Food Thieves Getting Caught: Do Tell!
By: Wanaca Date: July 8, 2018, 7:56 pm
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[quote author=prock929 link=topic=322.msg8111#msg8111
date=1531074952]
So.. shortly after finishing the latest tale of food thieves, I
ran across this gem from NotAlwaysRight.
HTML https://notalwaysright.com/ive-got-a-lunch-hunch/117376/
[/quote]
Of course she did it again. She didn't admit to doing anything
wrong in her eyes. She didn't feel guilty for anything. She
didn't apologize for anything and she wasn't forced to make any
restitution to the person that she stole from.
The manager should have fired her when she showed no remorse.
#Post#: 8137--------------------------------------------------
Re: Office Food Thieves Getting Caught: Do Tell!
By: BunnyAndBandit Date: July 8, 2018, 9:46 pm
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[quote author=Venus193 link=topic=322.msg8127#msg8127
date=1531093818]
I would have not given her a second chance. She would have been
escorted out the door.
[/quote]
I was really surprised by that. She did it, you have all the
proof, why is it a warning?
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Re: Office Food Thieves Getting Caught: Do Tell!
By: VorFemme Date: July 9, 2018, 10:27 am
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[quote author=BunnyAndBandit link=topic=322.msg8137#msg8137
date=1531104373]
[quote author=Venus193 link=topic=322.msg8127#msg8127
date=1531093818]
I would have not given her a second chance. She would have been
escorted out the door.
[/quote]
I was really surprised by that. She did it, you have all the
proof, why is it a warning?
[/quote]
Because in some places, to cover the legal requirements to fire
someone and be able to prove that it was a legitimate problem,
you have to give them a written warning and document that they
still "did it again". It doesn't have to make sense, it isn't
supposed to be logical, it's just the way that it is...according
to the way it has to be done to not cause more issues with the
firing "without cause" or "due process" to document the cause.
Please pass me a pain killer - just thinking about how to
explain it has given me a headache.
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Re: Office Food Thieves Getting Caught: Do Tell!
By: TootsNYC Date: July 9, 2018, 12:44 pm
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[quote author=VorFemme link=topic=322.msg8183#msg8183
date=1531150023]
[quote author=BunnyAndBandit link=topic=322.msg8137#msg8137
date=1531104373]
[quote author=Venus193 link=topic=322.msg8127#msg8127
date=1531093818]
I would have not given her a second chance. She would have been
escorted out the door.
[/quote]
I was really surprised by that. She did it, you have all the
proof, why is it a warning?
[/quote]
Because in some places, to cover the legal requirements to fire
someone and be able to prove that it was a legitimate problem,
you have to give them a written warning and document that they
still "did it again". It doesn't have to make sense, it isn't
supposed to be logical, it's just the way that it is...according
to the way it has to be done to not cause more issues with the
firing "without cause" or "due process" to document the cause.
Please pass me a pain killer - just thinking about how to
explain it has given me a headache.
[/quote]
The only time there is a legal restriction on how someone can be
fired is if the company itself has a policy (in a contract, in
the employee manual, or sometimes in a frequently followed
procedure that sets an expectation even if you haven't written
it down).
But any company that has a written policy about how someone is
fired, will have been careful to include a disclaimer that says,
"We reserve the right, in certain instances, to fire you
summarily without warning." Theft (even if the victim wasn't the
company) is generally considered to be something you can fire
someone for without having to go through any steps.
So no, there is no legal reason you can't fire someone right
away.
Maybe people THINK they're legally required to warn you and give
you a second chance. But they're not.
Some companies may think it's better for morale to always give
people a warning--it's up to them to decide if that's true or
not.
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Re: Office Food Thieves Getting Caught: Do Tell!
By: Victoria Date: July 9, 2018, 4:25 pm
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[quote author=TootsNYC link=topic=322.msg8202#msg8202
date=1531158292]
[quote author=VorFemme link=topic=322.msg8183#msg8183
date=1531150023]
[quote author=BunnyAndBandit link=topic=322.msg8137#msg8137
date=1531104373]
[quote author=Venus193 link=topic=322.msg8127#msg8127
date=1531093818]
I would have not given her a second chance. She would have been
escorted out the door.
[/quote]
I was really surprised by that. She did it, you have all the
proof, why is it a warning?
[/quote]
Because in some places, to cover the legal requirements to fire
someone and be able to prove that it was a legitimate problem,
you have to give them a written warning and document that they
still "did it again". It doesn't have to make sense, it isn't
supposed to be logical, it's just the way that it is...according
to the way it has to be done to not cause more issues with the
firing "without cause" or "due process" to document the cause.
Please pass me a pain killer - just thinking about how to
explain it has given me a headache.
[/quote]
The only time there is a legal restriction on how someone can be
fired is if the company itself has a policy (in a contract, in
the employee manual, or sometimes in a frequently followed
procedure that sets an expectation even if you haven't written
it down).
But any company that has a written policy about how someone is
fired, will have been careful to include a disclaimer that says,
"We reserve the right, in certain instances, to fire you
summarily without warning." Theft (even if the victim wasn't the
company) is generally considered to be something you can fire
someone for without having to go through any steps.
So no, there is no legal reason you can't fire someone right
away.
Maybe people THINK they're legally required to warn you and give
you a second chance. But they're not.
Some companies may think it's better for morale to always give
people a warning--it's up to them to decide if that's true or
not.
[/quote]
It's usually just that giving them a final written warning
before firing them creates less legal risk-plaintiff's counsel
might be less quick to file suit (though you'll probably always
be able to find eager plaintiff's counsel), the settlement value
of the case will be lower, etc., but if you catch someone
stealing you can just fire them.
Union employees can have certain progressive discipline
requirements built into their collective bargaining agreements,
but I've never seen one that says you can't just fire them and
have to do a final written for theft.
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Re: Office Food Thieves Getting Caught: Do Tell!
By: andi Date: July 9, 2018, 8:50 pm
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[quote author=Pattycake link=topic=322.msg8119#msg8119
date=1531082993]
[quote author=Rose Red link=topic=322.msg8118#msg8118
date=1531080551]
[quote author=BunnyAndBandit link=topic=322.msg8112#msg8112
date=1531076691]
[quote author=prock929 link=topic=322.msg8111#msg8111
date=1531074952]
So.. shortly after finishing the latest tale of food thieves, I
ran across this gem from NotAlwaysRight.
HTML https://notalwaysright.com/ive-got-a-lunch-hunch/117376/
[/quote]
I'd like the part where the cuplrit said they shouldn't have to
wolf down food they paid for.
I have no words.
[/quote]
She says she doesn't have enough time but she's forcing others
to waste their time getting more food or go without. Probably go
without since they only have 20 minutes too.
[/quote]
And, it's only a 4 hour shift, of course you only get 20
minutes, that's a coffee break, not a lunch break, not to
mention why can't she bring her own.
[/quote]
Some states don’t have to give a break for anything less than 6
hours. One state was 10 minutes for 4.5 hours
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Re: Office Food Thieves Getting Caught: Do Tell!
By: wonderfullyanonymous Date: July 10, 2018, 11:44 am
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Wisconsin is 15 minutes for up to a 6 hour shift. At 6.5 hours,
it's a 15 minute break and 30 minute lunch, and anything over 7
is 2 15 minute breaks and a 1 hour lunch.
#Post#: 8290--------------------------------------------------
Re: Office Food Thieves Getting Caught: Do Tell!
By: Mediancat Date: July 10, 2018, 1:42 pm
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An amazing one from Ask a Manager:
HTML https://www.askamanager.org/2016/07/a-coworker-stole-my-spicy-food-got-sick-and-is-blaming-me.html
And the update:
HTML https://www.askamanager.org/2016/10/update-a-coworker-stole-my-spicy-food-got-sick-and-is-blaming-me.html
To summarize: An employee of a company likes spicy food for
lunch; a coworker swipes it, has a bad reaction, and complains
to the boss and HR. The boss is understanding, HR substantially
less so, resulting in the employee eventually being fired.
-- that's not nearly the end of the story, but I don't want to
spoil it.
Rob
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