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       Re: We bought the "wrong souvenirs"
   DIR By: TootsNYC
       Date: June 5, 2018, 4:33 pm
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       maybe don't tell her she's right--just say, "yeah, it seems like
       a bummer, doesn't it." Or something similarly neutral.
       Or, "those souvenirs sure are iconic, aren't they? It seems like
       everybody gets one!" And then move on to something else. So it
       sounds like you're agreeing with her, so there isn't the "must
       overcome resistance/disagreement" paradigm
       Or, "It sounds like that seems important to you."
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       Re: We bought the "wrong souvenirs"
   DIR By: Elisabunny
       Date: June 5, 2018, 6:35 pm
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       For a small child, you always have the option of, "Mom, he would
       eat it."
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       Re: We bought the "wrong souvenirs"
   DIR By: TootsNYC
       Date: June 5, 2018, 10:25 pm
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       there's also, "This was the thing he seemed to really want. He
       didn't seem interested in the pet rock."
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       Re: We bought the "wrong souvenirs"
   DIR By: Bada
       Date: June 6, 2018, 8:37 am
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       > Or, "those souvenirs sure are iconic, aren't they? It seems
       like everybody gets one!" And then move on to something else. So
       it sounds like you're agreeing with her, so there isn't the
       "must overcome resistance/disagreement" paradigm
       --- End Quote ---
       Toots, I love this one!  It's fake agreement to distract her!
       #Post#: 5966--------------------------------------------------
       Re: We bought the "wrong souvenirs"
   DIR By: ladameestmorte
       Date: June 18, 2018, 10:56 pm
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       I agree with the person upthread who said to just agree with her
       to get her to be quiet.  That's actually a rather brilliant plan
       and I'm sure it would confuse the heck out of your mother.
       LOL, it makes me think of when Cal Naughton from "The Ballad of
       Ricky Bobby" thought Ricky was trying to use reverse psychology
       on him: "I'll tell you the truth. I'm a little confused by your
       tactics.  I'm gonna keep acting tough... until I figure it out.
       "
       #Post#: 6492--------------------------------------------------
       Re: We bought the "wrong souvenirs"
   DIR By: Take2
       Date: June 22, 2018, 3:29 pm
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       Sometimes it works to say "this seems to be really important to
       you, and I am trying to understand. Johnny wasn't really
       interested in that souvenir, maybe he will be when he is older.
       But it seems like there is something else you are needing, here.
       How can I help?" For a passive aggressive person, directly
       addressing the subtext will often make them vehemently deny
       there is one. For other people, it may draw their attention to
       the fact that they are belaboring an unimportant detail OR help
       them to realize that something else really is bothering them and
       share that with you.
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       Re: We bought the "wrong souvenirs"
   DIR By: HenrysMom
       Date: June 24, 2018, 8:58 pm
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       I would say to anyone who told me I bought them the “wrong”
       souvenir,  the quote from one of the Pirates of the Caribbean
       movies, “If you don’t like it, then give it back.”
       In this case, wait until the kid is old enough to handle gift
       receipt on his own, so there’s no middle man to say “you bought
       the wrong thing.”  Then, if the kid tells you that, then no more
       souvenirs for him.
       When someone goes to the trouble of bringing me a souvenir, even
       if I don’t care for it, I put a smile on my face and say “Thank
       you.”  After all, they were on this great trip and actually
       thought of me - what more can anyone ask?
       #Post#: 6705--------------------------------------------------
       Re: We bought the "wrong souvenirs"
   DIR By: BeagleMommy
       Date: June 25, 2018, 3:16 pm
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       "Mom, why are you so adamant that LO needs a pet rock when he
       wasn't interested in it and it is not appropriate for his age
       right now?  Would you really want me to give him something that
       could hurt him?"
       #Post#: 6710--------------------------------------------------
       Re: We bought the "wrong souvenirs"
   DIR By: bopper
       Date: June 25, 2018, 3:37 pm
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       I think this is a case for don't JADE.. Don't .Justify, Argue,
       Defend or Explain.
       When should you use this?
       When there should be no argument about something.
       You got your child souvenir x not y. Why should there be a
       discussion?  Your child, your decision (within reason of
       course).
       Would you have a discussion if you bought a goofy plush instead
       of mickey because that is what your child wants? of course not.
       It’s hard to set strong boundaries with your relatives. Whether
       you love them too much to say no or loathe how easily they get
       under your skin, there’s something about family that makes it
       hard to stand up for yourself. It doesn’t have to be that way.
       By using the JADE mnemonic, you can avoid conversational
       minefields and eliminate shouting matches at the dinner table.
       Use JADE to remember that you never have to Justify, Argue,
       Defend, or Explain with a relative, and you’ll be on your way to
       a more peaceful existence with your family.
       No Justifications Necessary
       If you’re tired of getting the third degree every time you visit
       home, it’s time to start using the first step in the JADE
       method. Don’t justify anything. You don’t need to explain why
       you chose that college major, pierced your nose, or accepted a
       job your family doesn’t like. As an adult, you can make whatever
       choices are best for you. When your motivations are questioned,
       make it clear that you’re not putting up with an inquisition. A
       firm but polite “I wanted to do so” or “I felt it was the best
       choice for me” tells your family that you’re not open to an
       extended review of your decisions.
       Avoiding Arguments
       When your relatives start sucking you into an argument, it can
       be challenging to resist. That’s understandable. Keep firm and
       remember that family arguments don’t lead anywhere positive.
       It’s okay to say “I don’t want to argue with you” or “Let’s
       agree to disagree on this.” If you want to lay on the guilt, ask
       your relative “Why are you picking a fight with me?” You’ll make
       your point, but be prepared for pushback.
       Don’t Go on the Defensive
       A clever way for mean-spirited relatives to control a
       conversation is forcing you to defend yourself and your
       decisions. This is a more sophisticated way of picking an
       argument. When you present a logical reason for your actions,
       you’re only giving your family new angles of attack. Don’t help
       out your vicious family members. Tell them “I don’t want to talk
       about this” or “Can we talk about something else?” If possible,
       suggest a specific and neutral topic of conversation like your
       relative’s children or favorite hobby.
       You Don’t Have to Explain Yourself
       Family members can make you feel small and juvenile just by
       asking you for an explanation. Comments like “How can you think
       that?” or “What in the world makes you believe that?” are not
       going to lead to anything positive. Rather than continuing the
       negativity by trying to explain yourself, refuse to engage. Say
       something like “Let’s talk about something else” or “We clearly
       have strong opinions on this. Let’s pick a more neutral topic”
       can help you avoid these conversational traps.
       In a functional family, you will rarely have to use any of these
       suggestions. If you find yourself using JADE techniques on a
       regular basis, then you are not the problem. Remember that
       family time should be about love, acceptance, and togetherness,
       not criticisms and nit-picking. It is always appropriate for you
       to deflect rude questions, change the topic of conversation, or
       refuse to discuss negative topics. With JADE, you can remember
       four ways to de-escalate negative interactions and make family
       time happier.
  HTML https://childdevelopmentinfo.com/family-building/jade-an-easy-mnemonic-for-difficult-family-members/#.WzFQ_VVKiUk
       You said "MrBada says if and when she does this again, we just
       say we bought the souvenirs LO wanted and repeat as necessary. "
       No, next time you don't talk about souvenirs.
       The time after that you don't even tell her you are going on
       vacation.
       If you telling someone about your life only causes them to
       nitpick/criticize what you do, then they don't get to hear about
       your life.
       
       #Post#: 6782--------------------------------------------------
       Re: We bought the "wrong souvenirs"
   DIR By: Bada
       Date: June 26, 2018, 8:23 am
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       I appreciate your lengthy explanation of JADE, Bopper, and I
       think others will find it valuable in the future too.
       I have already put my mom on an "Information Diet," so the info
       she's getting is all "low stakes" for me. She doesn't hear about
       minor medical problems or scary car mishaps or who visits us and
       how often and whatnot. Yes, I'd like to not have my souvenir
       choices nit picked, but hiding that I went on vacation would
       just be exhausting (I'd have to hide it from my brother too and
       tell multiple other people to not tell her or my brother about
       it, since vacation stories are the kinds of things people
       usually pass around).
       My mom is mildly toxic, but I've made a commitment to keep her
       in my life (for Reasons). So she gets access to non-personal
       info like what souvenirs I bought. This new board needs stuff to
       talk about, so I figured this anecdote might generate some
       conversation and get me some witty comebacks and terse responses
       (which it did). The issue isn't keeping me up at night or
       anything, since I'm annoyed by her criticism but not hurt, so I
       don't have a need to escalate to not telling her about my
       vacations ever.
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