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#Post#: 3974--------------------------------------------------
S/O To friend or not... Timing? Updated: didn't get job
By: Dr. F. Date: May 30, 2018, 9:30 pm
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I started this as a new topic, rather than just continuing the
previous because it's morphed into a rather new question. I'm
happy to merge with the other thread if that is preferred.
So, the new place has made it abundantly clear that I'm their
top choice for this job. They have one more person to interview,
but told me that she doesn't have my qualifications (no, they
shouldn't have). The University requires them to interview 3
before making an offer, and they've had a hard time scheduling
the third. Apparently #2 had very little teaching experience,
and was largely irrelevant. The Dean at the new place (subject
of my previous thread) has said that he doesn't want to lose me
due to timing.
Well, fine, except that my current University is pressing me for
a decision for August, and I'm not sure how long I can put them
off. I don't want to say "no" to a sure thing without a real
offer from the new place, but the timing is getting seriously
problematic.
So, my actual question - do I suggest maybe putting everything
off until January, and spring semester? If push comes to shove,
I'd rather agree to spend the fall here and then move over the
December holidays, rather than turn anyone down. However, I'm
not at all sure either party would agree to such!
Argh!
#Post#: 3992--------------------------------------------------
Re: S/O To friend or not... Timing?
By: AnnNottingham Date: May 31, 2018, 10:23 am
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Wasn't it you who interviewed remotely for a position on some
island (the Bahamas?), but it sounded sketchy? I remember a
teacher on the old board who was looking to move up.
Being that June is tomorrow, I personally would stay where I was
at. By the time the new place interviews 3rd person, it's
already say late June. And I wouldn't want to move halfway
through the year, either.
I know it sounds great-your own building! I once interviewed
for a teaching position (I am biology qualified), which would
have entailed my being in charge of a greenhouse! But it was a
disaster, and the school was looking at 10's of thousands of
dollars of repairs and hauling off all these expired chemicals
stored within (at great hazard). Have you seen the building
yourself?
If they really want you, and you say "I'm staying put", then
sometimes rules tend to get bent :D. But good luck!
#Post#: 3998--------------------------------------------------
Re: S/O To friend or not... Timing?
By: DaDancingPsych Date: May 31, 2018, 11:30 am
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Have you told them about your current university wanting an
answer? I would share this information with them.
I think you could suggest holding off, which may or may not be
possible for them, though. "I do need to confirm my current
contract by X date. However, if that timing does not work from
your end, I would be willing and interested discussing a
contract starting with you in the new year, as I would not need
to confirm with current university for some time for that term."
My wording is not best, but I am sure you get the idea.
It should be noted, however, that I do not work in academia, so
they may view this differently.
#Post#: 4016--------------------------------------------------
Re: S/O To friend or not... Timing?
By: bopper Date: May 31, 2018, 12:58 pm
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Pretty sure if you asked on Chronicles of Higher Education
(
HTML https://www.chronicle.com/forums/index.php/board,26.0.html)<br
/>they would tell you to tell your current school that you are
staying. If you get a firm offer from the other school, then
leave. If you are currently an adjunct/Non-Tenure-Track, then
that is the price that they have to pay for wanting the
flexibility of you not being on the TT.
#Post#: 4043--------------------------------------------------
Re: S/O To friend or not... Timing?
By: Kiwipinball Date: May 31, 2018, 2:49 pm
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[quote author=bopper link=topic=303.msg4016#msg4016
date=1527789499]
Pretty sure if you asked on Chronicles of Higher Education
(
HTML https://www.chronicle.com/forums/index.php/board,26.0.html)<br
/>they would tell you to tell your current school that you are
staying. If you get a firm offer from the other school, then
leave. If you are currently an adjunct/Non-Tenure-Track, then
that is the price that they have to pay for wanting the
flexibility of you not being on the TT.
[/quote]
This is what I was thinking. I don't know how acceptable that is
in academia, but this kind of thing happens sometimes. If you're
polite and give them as much notice as possible, I think you're
in the clear. Ultimately, you need to do the right thing for
you, not for a company/university/whatever.
I was actually talking to someone recently who had gone through
a process and hired someone and he quit shortly before he was
supposed to start (better offer somewhere else). He wasn't
thrilled he had to go through the process again, but he got it.
He didn't hate the guy who quit.
#Post#: 4055--------------------------------------------------
Re: S/O To friend or not... Timing?
By: Dr. F. Date: May 31, 2018, 4:43 pm
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[quote author=guihong link=topic=303.msg3992#msg3992
date=1527780222]
Wasn't it you who interviewed remotely for a position on some
island (the Bahamas?), but it sounded sketchy? I remember a
teacher on the old board who was looking to move up.
Being that June is tomorrow, I personally would stay where I was
at. By the time the new place interviews 3rd person, it's
already say late June. And I wouldn't want to move halfway
through the year, either.
I know it sounds great-your own building! I once interviewed
for a teaching position (I am biology qualified), which would
have entailed my being in charge of a greenhouse! But it was a
disaster, and the school was looking at 10's of thousands of
dollars of repairs and hauling off all these expired chemicals
stored within (at great hazard). Have you seen the building
yourself?
If they really want you, and you say "I'm staying put", then
sometimes rules tend to get bent :D. But good luck!
[/quote]
Yep, that was me with the Bahamas. I turned that one down and
am still very happy with the decision. The fact that they got
hit with a serious hurricane that fall has something to do with
it.
This situation is rather different. For one, I've seen the
campus and met all of the people I would be working with. One of
the big problems with the Bahamas job was that they were
unwilling to fly me out, so I would be taking the job completely
sight unseen. They also wouldn't pay me to move, and moving to
the Bahamas from anywhere is crazy expensive. So I would be out
many thousands of $$$$ to take a job with people I hadn't met in
a place I hadn't seen. And three different people gave me
different numbers for the salary I would make (Dept. Chair,
Dean, and Provost - all 3 were different. The Provost's was the
lowest). No, just no. That's a recipe for disaster.
I have visited this place and met everyone, including the woman
I would be replacing. She likes it there, but is moving closer
to her recently widowed mother. The building is brand-new, and
was finished last fall. Oh, and they want to hire me at the
Assoc. Prof. level. (Not tenure, no one in their right mind
hires someone with tenure. You just go up sooner, once they're
sure you're not secretly a jerk. But the promotion and higher
salary, at least.) It has it's downsides, don't get me wrong.
It's a small school in a rural area. The town is *tiny*. The
students are mostly local, and not always well-prepared. The
salary is relatively low, even with the promotion, though the
cost of living is correspondingly low.
On the whole, I think I'd be nuts to turn this down.
The 3rd interview will take place on Monday. My current chair
says he needs an answer on thursday. It's going to be close...
I'm trying very hard not to freak out.
#Post#: 4102--------------------------------------------------
Re: S/O To friend or not... Timing?
By: bopper Date: June 1, 2018, 9:51 am
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But is your current job non-tenure track and the new one will be
tenure-track?
If so, tell the current job you will be staying and wait and see
what the other says. Like I said, if you are NTT then they gets
what they gets.
#Post#: 4389--------------------------------------------------
Re: S/O To friend or not... Timing? Updated: didn't get job
By: Dr. F. Date: June 4, 2018, 1:24 pm
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So, got an email today that I didn't get the job, after all that
high-pressure salesmanship. Argh! Am now thoroughly bummed, and
not quite sure what to do next.
#Post#: 4390--------------------------------------------------
Re: S/O To friend or not... Timing? Updated: didn't get job
By: NFPwife Date: June 4, 2018, 1:37 pm
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[quote author=Dr. F. link=topic=303.msg4389#msg4389
date=1528136652]
So, got an email today that I didn't get the job, after all that
high-pressure salesmanship. Argh! Am now thoroughly bummed, and
not quite sure what to do next.
[/quote]
Argh! I'm so sorry. After all the "We're having a brunch and
trying to sell you a house" plans??
Hopefully, this leaves you free for a new adventure.
#Post#: 4394--------------------------------------------------
Re: S/O To friend or not... Timing? Updated: didn't get job
By: Dr. F. Date: June 4, 2018, 1:51 pm
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[quote author=NFPwife link=topic=303.msg4390#msg4390
date=1528137447]
[quote author=Dr. F. link=topic=303.msg4389#msg4389
date=1528136652]
So, got an email today that I didn't get the job, after all that
high-pressure salesmanship. Argh! Am now thoroughly bummed, and
not quite sure what to do next.
[/quote]
Argh! I'm so sorry. After all the "We're having a brunch and
trying to sell you a house" plans??
Hopefully, this leaves you free for a new adventure.
[/quote]
Yep. AND the Dean basically saying, hold your fall open, you're
our top pick. Argh! At least I'm teaching over the summer (extra
$$$) and have a job for the fall (I just now emailed my
acceptance for staying here another year). Still, I'm utterly
bummed.
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