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#Post#: 80923--------------------------------------------------
Year-end review question . . . follow-up on "My Promotion&q
uot; thread. UPDATE #8, #12, #13, Sad #18, FINAL #22
By: jpcher Date: February 4, 2024, 12:16 am
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This is a follow-up on my previous post that started in 2018,
last post being in 2020 (I can't believe it's now 2024! and this
is still ongoing!)
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Since the last post my managers have changed in 2022 (so none of
the people in my previous post are relevant). My new boss
started in November of 2022 and her boss started in September of
2022. So, yes, starting a new slate with new managers that
didn't know me I had to prove myself once again.
Not such a big deal because I kept on doing what I've always
done -- complete assignments on time to great customer
satisfaction, work quickly with diligence, and in any spare time
improve my skills with on-line training, etc.
I've had some great successes in the past year, including moving
on to some light video editing. Cool, right? I think I impressed
both of my new bosses.
My question is about my year-end review. Wondering what your
take on this is because it compared me to others on my team.
I've never had a comparison review before. It just seems odd to
me. Maybe a good thing?
Literally, a snippet stated "I wish all of my employees were a
jpcher. She produces the most work in the quickest time and,
more importantly, with accuracy." This was from my immediate
boss.
Back in November 2023, I met with my Boss's boss for lunch one
day. (She's from out of state, traveled to meet with me and
other team members in my location.) She took me aside as we were
leaving the restaurant and gave me a wink. "Don't worry, we got
you covered. We're taking care of you."
Raises and promotions come out in March. Am I building up my
hopes for something good? Maybe not a promotion but, due to the
comments, I'm hoping for, at least, a hefty raise.
I'm curious as to your thoughts on the above. What do you think
those comments mean?
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Re: Year-end review question . . . follow-up on "My Promoti
on" thread
By: NFPwife Date: February 4, 2024, 7:51 am
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Those are great comments! Congratulations! Your work is cleary
speaking for itself.
It's so hard for me to decode corporate speak. In the moment, I
would have said, "Operationally define 'take care'." Or, I would
have said, "I hope take care translates to dollars." I think
it's important to let upper management know that you expect
compensation commensurate with your work product.
Edit- typo
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Re: Year-end review question . . . follow-up on "My Promoti
on" thread
By: Hmmm Date: February 5, 2024, 9:27 am
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Great work.
I do agree that "take care of you" could mean so many things. In
addition to a promotion and raise it could mean that they will
give a bonus, or want to give you choice assignments, or it
could be that if layoffs are coming, you aren't under
consideration.
But fingers crossed for it to mean money!
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Re: Year-end review question . . . follow-up on "My Promoti
on" thread
By: lowspark Date: February 5, 2024, 3:11 pm
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It sounds to me like you've had to prove yourself over and over
because of the organization's changeover in that role. Is no one
putting anything in writing?
When I get reviewed, I am handed a paper with all the topics and
the pertinent feedback. Then we go over it in the review
meeting. Is your review 100% verbal?
Just winking and saying "we'll take care of you" isn't enough.
Ask for written confirmation of anything verbal, most
importantly, your review.
Next time you have a one-on-one with your boss, make sure you
mention what your expectations are, both for compensation and
promotion, in view of your last glowing review.
Ask for what you want. And keep asking.
"What do I need to do to get the xyz job?" is a legitimate
question.
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Re: Year-end review question . . . follow-up on "My Promoti
on" thread
By: jpcher Date: February 5, 2024, 5:48 pm
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[quote author=lowspark link=topic=2586.msg80936#msg80936
date=1707167463]
It sounds to me like you've had to prove yourself over and over
because of the organization's changeover in that role. Is no one
putting anything in writing?
[/quote]
All of my annual reviews are put into writing and stored in the
HR portal that's available for all (new) managers to read. I
have a 1:1 discussion with manager about my review when I can
rebut, give my thoughts, agree with or add to. I then have the
opportunity to make comments and sign the review. So everything
is documented.
I'm thinking that any new management that comes on board would
like to see their employees in action without any previous
comments that might sway their opinion one way or the other.
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Re: Year-end review question . . . follow-up on "My Promoti
on" thread
By: TootsNYC Date: February 6, 2024, 8:23 am
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that's way too vague.
I think you should sit down with your new boss and say, "I wnat
to make sure you have the full background on me.
You said that I produce more and better work than anyone. That
is because I have been doing the work that should have long ago
earned me a promotion. I have raised the level of my performance
AND of my duties on the promise of a corresponding raise in my
official position and my salary. That extra skill and ability
and initiative you have noticed is not just me being a little
better than my peers at my level. It is me doing the work of a
promoted position."
And if you don't get that promotion, or at the very least a
significant raise, you need to dial back. Then if they say
anything, you can say, "well, that was work I did in order to
justify a promotion. And I certainly worked at that level long
enough to prove that I am capable of and deserving of that
promotion and increased earning power. But I'm not interested in
giving that away for free anymore, since apparently that
promotion is not in the cards. If it arrives, you have clear
evidence that I am absolutely going to step up. It's up to you."
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Re: Year-end review question . . . follow-up on "My Promoti
on" thread
By: NFPwife Date: February 6, 2024, 8:27 am
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[quote author=jpcher link=topic=2586.msg80937#msg80937
date=1707176927]
[quote author=lowspark link=topic=2586.msg80936#msg80936
date=1707167463]
It sounds to me like you've had to prove yourself over and over
because of the organization's changeover in that role. Is no one
putting anything in writing?
[/quote]
All of my annual reviews are put into writing and stored in the
HR portal that's available for all (new) managers to read. I
have a 1:1 discussion with manager about my review when I can
rebut, give my thoughts, agree with or add to. I then have the
opportunity to make comments and sign the review. So everything
is documented.
I'm thinking that any new management that comes on board would
like to see their employees in action without any previous
comments that might sway their opinion one way or the other.
[/quote]
That's what I think lowspark means. My perspective is when a new
manager is forming their own opinions, you're put back at the
starting gate and need to show your worth. Again. To continue my
metaphor, you hit the last quarter turn and are closing in on
the promotion or raise and... new management! Back to the
starting gate.
Could you keep a running document of the stand out scores and
comments and be prepared to show that and advocate for yourself?
I think this would be a great scenario for "Ask a Manager."
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Re: Year-end review question . . . follow-up on "My Promoti
on" thread
By: lowspark Date: February 6, 2024, 10:40 am
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What is the point of a written review if it just gets tossed
aside when your supervisor changes? No point.
You should absolutely bring up that you have been getting
excellent reviews that indicate that you deserved a promotion
long ago.
Promotions and raises should be based on your documented
performance. That's the reason to document.
I would definitely highlight that in your review or one-on-one.
Ask ask ask!
The more you ask, the more they will respond. The more you just
sit back and accept that they will make you wait, the more they
will make you wait.
Hey! jpcher is doing a great job without the promotion/raise and
hasn't complained so she must be ok with her current
position/pay.
Let them know that this is not the case. And keep letting them
know. Every opportunity you can. Until they respond the way you
want.
#Post#: 81019--------------------------------------------------
Year-end review question . . . follow-up on "My Promotion&q
uot; thread. UPDATE #8
By: jpcher Date: March 6, 2024, 4:16 pm
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UPDATE
Well, I had my compensation meeting with both my manager and her
boss. I received the biggest raise ever in my career. A
percentage that was, historically, unheard of. Plus, a pretty
nice bonus.
Along with Boss's Boss (BB) telling me that I should have
received a promotion years ago. She said "I've learned how this
company works and it sucks." She went on to say that a promotion
is in the works. It might take a couple of months with
paperwork, budget and all that, but she is pushing for it
because I deserve it.
[quote author=lowspark link=topic=2586.msg80942#msg80942
date=1707237653]Hey! jpcher is doing a great job without the
promotion/raise and hasn't complained so she must be ok with her
current position/pay.
[/quote]
BB also said that by learning new skills and pushing myself to
being a bigger asset to the company (that's why we're giving you
more video jobs) shows that you're not complacent, like so many
old-timers are. That's important.
As far as advocating for myself . . . BB told me that "Whatever
happens, who knows maybe I or Boss will leave the building, you
need to continue pushing for the promotion."
I laughed and said "I always do, with every new manager I get!"
She said "At least, this time, you have someone that heard you.
I got you covered."
So, to me, that's all good news. For now.
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Re: Year-end review question . . . follow-up on "My Promoti
on" thread. UPDATE #8
By: Hmmm Date: March 7, 2024, 8:45 am
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[quote author=jpcher link=topic=2586.msg81019#msg81019
date=1709763375]
UPDATE
Well, I had my compensation meeting with both my manager and her
boss. I received the biggest raise ever in my career. A
percentage that was, historically, unheard of. Plus, a pretty
nice bonus.
Along with Boss's Boss (BB) telling me that I should have
received a promotion years ago. She said "I've learned how this
company works and it sucks." She went on to say that a promotion
is in the works. It might take a couple of months with
paperwork, budget and all that, but she is pushing for it
because I deserve it.
[quote author=lowspark link=topic=2586.msg80942#msg80942
date=1707237653]Hey! jpcher is doing a great job without the
promotion/raise and hasn't complained so she must be ok with her
current position/pay.
[/quote]
BB also said that by learning new skills and pushing myself to
being a bigger asset to the company (that's why we're giving you
more video jobs) shows that you're not complacent, like so many
old-timers are. That's important.
As far as advocating for myself . . . BB told me that "Whatever
happens, who knows maybe I or Boss will leave the building, you
need to continue pushing for the promotion."
I laughed and said "I always do, with every new manager I get!"
She said "At least, this time, you have someone that heard you.
I got you covered."
So, to me, that's all good news. For now.
[/quote]
Very happy for you! Glad you got a good boss this time!
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