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#Post#: 80169--------------------------------------------------
Re: When Freeloaders try to take the High Ground
By: holly firestorm Date: October 3, 2023, 4:55 pm
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[quote author=Aleko link=topic=2545.msg80147#msg80147
date=1696265850]
I've just invented a rule that even when bringing food to a
party is optional, if you have specific dietary needs it's not
optional for you. (Even if there turns out to be someone else
with the same restrictions who brought suitable food, you
shouldn't go snarfing half of what they brought.)
[/quote]
And when bringing along an uninvited guest, too.
And to reply to a previous comment that if he had informed us
before hand about being on his keto diet "he might have had a
leg to stand on" I'd say not unless the hosts or another guest
promised to bring him something he could eat.
#Post#: 80172--------------------------------------------------
Re: When Freeloaders try to take the High Ground
By: NFPwife Date: October 3, 2023, 7:24 pm
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[quote author=holly firestorm link=topic=2545.msg80169#msg80169
date=1696370120]
[quote author=Aleko link=topic=2545.msg80147#msg80147
date=1696265850]
I've just invented a rule that even when bringing food to a
party is optional, if you have specific dietary needs it's not
optional for you. (Even if there turns out to be someone else
with the same restrictions who brought suitable food, you
shouldn't go snarfing half of what they brought.)
[/quote]
And when bringing along an uninvited guest, too.
And to reply to a previous comment that if he had informed us
before hand about being on his keto diet "he might have had a
leg to stand on" I'd say not unless the hosts or another guest
promised to bring him something he could eat.
[/quote]
I have a food allergy and don't eat anything at a potluck that I
didn't bring or wasn't brought by a trusted friend. I find most
reasonable people with dietary restrictions and/ or strong
dietary preferences are the same.
#Post#: 80193--------------------------------------------------
Re: When Freeloaders try to take the High Ground
By: holly firestorm Date: October 5, 2023, 11:42 pm
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[quote author=PVZFan link=topic=2545.msg80172#msg80172
date=1696379070]
[quote author=holly firestorm link=topic=2545.msg80169#msg80169
date=1696370120]
[quote author=Aleko link=topic=2545.msg80147#msg80147
date=1696265850]
I've just invented a rule that even when bringing food to a
party is optional, if you have specific dietary needs it's not
optional for you. (Even if there turns out to be someone else
with the same restrictions who brought suitable food, you
shouldn't go snarfing half of what they brought.)
[/quote]
And when bringing along an uninvited guest, too.
And to reply to a previous comment that if he had informed us
before hand about being on his keto diet "he might have had a
leg to stand on" I'd say not unless the hosts or another guest
promised to bring him something he could eat.
[/quote]
I have a food allergy and don't eat anything at a potluck that I
didn't bring or wasn't brought by a trusted friend. I find most
reasonable people with dietary restrictions and/ or strong
dietary preferences are the same.
[/quote]
The only thing he brought was Flossy the Freeloader.
Oh, and I don't know if I mentioned it, but, the sign we worked
on together...he used my layout and SOLD four signs with only
slight wording changes for another archery range.
#Post#: 80203--------------------------------------------------
Re: When Freeloaders try to take the High Ground
By: jpcher Date: October 6, 2023, 5:42 pm
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[quote author=holly firestorm link=topic=2545.msg80193#msg80193
date=1696567369]
The only thing he brought was Flossy the Freeloader.
Oh, and I don't know if I mentioned it, but, the sign we worked
on together...he used my layout and SOLD four signs with only
slight wording changes for another archery range.
[/quote]
WHAAAT?!?! He stole your designs and sold them to a competitor?
I take it you didn't get any compensation.
This is not a freeloader. This is a thief.
He should be firmly banned from your club.
#Post#: 80219--------------------------------------------------
Re: When Freeloaders try to take the High Ground
By: holly firestorm Date: October 9, 2023, 1:04 pm
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[quote author=jpcher link=topic=2545.msg80203#msg80203
date=1696632177]
[quote author=holly firestorm link=topic=2545.msg80193#msg80193
date=1696567369]
The only thing he brought was Flossy the Freeloader.
Oh, and I don't know if I mentioned it, but, the sign we worked
on together...he used my layout and SOLD four signs with only
slight wording changes for another archery range.
[/quote]
WHAAAT?!?! He stole your designs and sold them to a competitor?
I take it you didn't get any compensation.
This is not a freeloader. This is a thief.
He should be firmly banned from your club.
[/quote]
He did work on the design, too. And he was the one with the
graphic design tools on his computer. Oh, and the latest
updates: When we put up the signs he wanted to take my picture
with his and the instructor who helped and gave his OK and some
money. I said 'no' and explained very thoroughly why I just
don't like my picture taken. He tried to insist, but, I stood
firm...and the Instructor was there so Keto couldn't take my
picture and say otherwise. Now the organization is a Public
Archery Range. So, we finally resumed public classes he was
there taking pictures, including one pointed directly at me.
Now, of course I couldn't protest in the middle of class without
making a scene. So, I had to wait until he posted those pictures
to ask two of the Instructor/Board Members to have him remove
the picture.
Finally, here's what he posted on the group page the next day:
"So it looks like our new “Pitch in” signs are working - enough
that (name of an instructor active at our range and another)
asked me to make a similar sign for (Name of other range).
I like the fact that the archery community helps each other out,
regardless of which range you frequent. I know I’ve spent
plenty of time at (other range) and even though I didn’t really
have the time to help out, I was happy to “pitch in.”
Thanks to (Our Head Instructor's name) and (my name) for
helping to put together the original sign and for embracing my
idea to help solve this issue." Now, again, another manipulation
where I can't really post anything on my own without making "a
scene" on line. And as I mentioned before his "happy to pitch
in" regarding the signs for the other range were something he
got paid for. So, I'd like some feedback. Do people in this
group think I should bring these misrepresentation about my part
in this project to the two Instructor/Board Members I've been
talking to about this?
I also learned this: One of our members is a lawyer. The range
recently had some legal paperwork to complete and she
volunteered her legal services FOR FREE. Keto, who is a stuntman
and graphic artist condescendingly told her, "We have it in
hand. We don't need your help." She replied to him, probably
pretty caustically, because she's sure no shrinking violet, and
he told her HE was offended.
I'm coming to the conclusion that this guy is more than a little
sleazy and narcissistic. But, he won't get banned from the group
for this...he's a real schmoozer and will get away with what he
can.
#Post#: 80224--------------------------------------------------
Re: When Freeloaders try to take the High Ground
By: jpcher Date: October 11, 2023, 4:50 pm
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Thanks for the additional info. It doesn't sound like you should
make a stink with lawyer and all unless Keto continues to
misrepresent your part in creative effort.
One simple thing you might want to ask your lawyer-member (or
ask the instructor to ask the LM) about is photo release forms.
If Keto is taking photos of people at your range and using them
as publicity without people's permission, that could turn into
legal issues that your club won't want to take on.
#Post#: 80227--------------------------------------------------
Re: When Freeloaders try to take the High Ground
By: Aleko Date: October 12, 2023, 1:37 am
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[quote]One simple thing you might want to ask your lawyer-member
(or ask the instructor to ask the LM) about is photo release
forms. If Keto is taking photos of people at your range and
using them as publicity without people's permission, that could
turn into legal issues that your club won't want to take
on.[/quote]
Strongly second this. It is a potentially serious issue for the
club which needs addressing: but it’s also a way of making Keto
realise he can’t simply do whatever he likes without bringing
personalities into it. (And it may well be that a whole slew of
people who like you have been annoyed by Keto but were reluctant
to complain or confront will refuse to sign release forms simply
because the person who photographed them without asking - or, as
in your case, blithely ignoring any objections - is the one
asking for their signature: he might meet with substantial
resistance.)
#Post#: 80242--------------------------------------------------
Re: When Freeloaders try to take the High Ground
By: holly firestorm Date: October 13, 2023, 10:17 pm
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I thought of that about not getting a release for the photos.
Here's the thing though. I know the two Instructors running
things are very conflict averse. So, I'm not going to make any
scenes or cause any trouble as long as he keeps his distance.
(One of the instructors said he'd ask him to do so.) My guess it
that he's doing what he's doing HOPING that I'll make a scene so
I'll look like the trouble maker. So, I unfriended him and
blocked him. And that way he can't provoke me into saying
something I'll regret. I also have a audio recording app on my
phone. So, if he tries anything, I can have either the lawyer
member or someone else listen. As long as I am treated with
respect and valued by the other folks, including the people
running the place, he won't get far. My sister gave me some
advice that went something like this: "Don't let this one person
spoil things for you. Ignore him. Be your sweetest self. Butter
wouldn't melt in your mouth. If he keeps it up you will be able
to say, 'Why does he keep on doing this? I'm not confronting
him. I'm only here to enjoy our lovely place and pitch in...as
I've always done for the past five years.'
I think I said this previously. But, I really do appreciate the
support I've gotten here. It's validating to see so many other
people agree that I was not the jerk in this situation. He was.
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