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Welcome--starting over... again!
By: LadyX Date: May 22, 2018, 11:20 am
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Welcome!
It’s been an interesting few days here.
This forum was opened on May 10th and immediately the energy was
really positive and enthusiastic.
But, that gradually started changing late last week with the
developments on the EH forum and the addition here of a handful
of very angry people looking to settle a score.
Having been banned on the main EH site, they sought to air their
grievances here.
While many posters had been expressing some issues with the
moderation at EH and the very strict rules that they experienced
in an effort to say they want something a little different, some
took it to a darker place.
One mod quit for personal reasons and for not wanting to have to
wade through the bad energy that was developing.
The mods that remained were not on board with me trying to
change where things were going.
There was a very concerted effort to be so hands off that it
allowed trolls to start exercising control of this forum.
Drama that could have been nipped in the bud, was left to fester
in the fears that locking a thread or deleting certain posts
would lead to criticism that this was “just like old Ehell.”
This culminated yesterday is a complete meltdown of a entire
group of posters—posters who with the possible exception of one
or two—are part of an Ehell FB Grudge group where they post
intensely negative things about the EH Forum and many of the
people who post there. Yesterday they targeted us, and in
particular, me.
And it went on. All day. All night.
And the mods would not back me up. They decided to side with the
bullies and start their own forum.
Though, since there was obviously a difference of vision from
the beginning, this was not a completely unexpected outcome.
They didn’t even have the courtesy to PM me—I found out about
what they had done when one of them posted it publicly on this
site.
And I didn’t know until today that one of them sent out a mass
email to everyone registered here inviting them to that new
forum.
I’m sorry to those of you were offended by that communication.
I didn’t do a very solid job of choosing mods and I didn’t know
that they would have the ability to do that.
It is my intention that announcements will be made from this
folder, not through any kind of mass mailings.
So, now what?
Well, now we start over just as others are starting over
elsewhere.
I have deleted as many of the people who were here to cause
trouble as I possibly could.
I am sure that some are still lurking but if they behave
themselves and participate in a productive way, they can stay.
As far as rules. Just use common sense. Don’t try to be
offensive to other people. And try not to take offense if none
is truly intended.
If you see any kind of bullying behavior, people dog piling on
an OP or just bringing a really bad energy to the site, let me
know.
Also, I would appreciate if you would all avoid really
controversial topics that people are likely to get into heated
arguments about—anything political, religious, etc.
That said, it is not necessary to tamp down every mention of
anything remotely political or religious. As long as it doesn’t
get out of hand, it’s good.
As far as discussing EHell, please keep it in the context of
moving this forum forward, not attacking Jeanne or the mods.
Please do not discuss the drama that is continuing to unfold on
that main site.
That’s all I’ve got for now.
Thank-you for being here! I really appreciate it! I really
hope we can get back to the positive and enthusiastic energy
that was here at the beginning.
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Re: Welcome--starting over... again!
By: Hmmm Date: May 22, 2018, 2:53 pm
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I'm very sorry things ended up this way. I know you put a lot of
work and effort into this board and I agree it was exhausting
seeing complaints about the previous board continuously raised.
I didn't understand if those who were doing the complaining
about old eHell really couldn't see the negative energy they
were spewing or if it was actually their goal.
I was surprised to see the message yesterday from one of the
mods about the new board. I had hoped they'd spoken with you
before sending that out. I'm sure it felt very much like a slap
in the face if they didn't make you aware of their plans prior
to sending out the message.
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Re: Welcome--starting over... again!
By: jpcher Date: May 22, 2018, 5:34 pm
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Thank you, LadyB, for your explanation.
It absolutely astounded me how the dissension on the old site
dog-piled so quickly against Jeanne and the Mods. I mean
Whaaaat? It greatly saddens me to see such a wonderful,
comfortable site go out in such a manner.
Then! The dissension continued here! AND!!! After LadyB banned
some of the posters, they went back on Ehell just to diss her
there because they couldn't diss her here any more.
Is this what a polite society looks like? I think not.
I do think EhellDame was correct in leaving up/undeleting those
disparaging posts. This shows us what an unmoderated forum could
turn into . . . someplace that I do not want to be.
LadyB so freely and graciously offered her time and experience
in order for the old site to be carried over to our new,
comfortable, happy home. For this, I applaud her;D
I stand behind LadyB and her choices. If you agree then please
support her.
If you disagree with my post, then . . . Good bye.
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Re: Welcome--starting over... again!
By: Kiwipinball Date: May 22, 2018, 6:16 pm
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[quote author=Hmmm link=topic=245.msg3150#msg3150
date=1527018784]
I'm very sorry things ended up this way. I know you put a lot of
work and effort into this board and I agree it was exhausting
seeing complaints about the previous board continuously raised.
I didn't understand if those who were doing the complaining
about old eHell really couldn't see the negative energy they
were spewing or if it was actually their goal.
I was surprised to see the message yesterday from one of the
mods about the new board. I had hoped they'd spoken with you
before sending that out. I'm sure it felt very much like a slap
in the face if they didn't make you aware of their plans prior
to sending out the message.
[/quote]
Yeah, I agree. I was getting disturbed by the amount of
negativity and, while I was willing to give the forum a chance
to calm down (at least until after Ehell closed), I was starting
to consider not participating. I don't need that level of
negativity. I liked the old Ehell just fine. Which is not to say
there's no room for improvement, but I don't find Ehell 2.0 to
be as frightening as some apparently do. :)
Oddly enough, I didn't receive that e-mail. I'm good with
missing all the drama though. Hopefully things will settle down.
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Re: Welcome--starting over... again!
By: Thitpualso Date: May 22, 2018, 7:03 pm
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When a cherished board breaks down it breaks down in a bad way.
There are people like LadyB who pick up the flag and try to
carry on. These people are to be commended but it is a
thankless task. Every member has a slightly different view of
directions which the new board should take. No one can satisfy
everyone. There are always people who will choose to leave.
A relative with a PhD was appointed the Chair of his department
at a university. He likened the Chairmanship to becoming the
fire hydrant or litter box for everyone else. That is the
problem Mods face when a new board is launched.
We think we’re adult and polite but the truth is that some of us
have the mentality of 12 year-olds. In their minds, if I’m a
friend of Y i can’t possibly be a friend of X. That’s not a
mature way to respond to differences. We can get along nicely
if we treat each other with a bit of leeway.
I’ll be here. Let’s all give BM&B a decent shake.
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Re: Welcome--starting over... again!
By: katiekat2009 Date: May 22, 2018, 7:13 pm
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I guess I missed all the drama. I was pretty much a lurker on
Ehell and may be on here, as well. Just glad to be here. Thank
you for starting the forum.
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Re: Welcome--starting over... again!
By: RevMaxx Date: May 22, 2018, 11:13 pm
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shaking off any drama
I 'm in for the long haul on all 3 new sites and am neutral to
the 3 and ehell.
((even tho I had a melodramattic moment 5 days ago trying to
shut everbody up to behave like grownups on ehell site) :-[
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Re: Welcome--starting over... again!
By: Judecat Date: May 23, 2018, 12:48 am
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I quite like it here, and while I don't like a lot of rules,
without rules every forum I've ever participated in has devolved
into chaos. I do not agree that we need you to leave up posts
so that everyone knows what rule was broken -- we are all adults
and we should know by now what the rules are. All of the
forums that I am a member of, have the basic rules of civilized
society -- no drama, no dissing, no arguing religion or
politics (one forum even has an entirely different sub-forum for
discussing controversial subjects, if you have a problem with a
member talk to the moderator.
Honestly, when I went to bed last night I was really upset with
all the drama, I felt like I was back in Jr High with the mean
girls, and I signed in tonight with the intention of quitting.
I'm glad I checked this thread first. I do feel that this
group has the potential to be a very good group.
This is probably the longest post you will ever read by me. I
usually lurk, but I just had to speak up.
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Re: Welcome--starting over... again!
By: Wanaca Date: May 23, 2018, 7:39 am
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I'm here and I'm not going anywhere in the near future. I
believe in the forum and the wonderful folks here. I'm looking
forward to coming here every day to learn new things and
viewpoints and maybe get a chuckle or two.
Now I'm off to find some interesting threads!
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Re: Welcome--starting over... again!
By: Miki Date: May 23, 2018, 10:03 am
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As usual, I'm completely clueless. In fact, this is like high
school. People I like get caught up in a war, and by the time I
think I know what happened, everybody is settled in but me.
Waaah!
Actually, I'm Switzerland in WWII but without the beautiful
scenery, lol.
Still, I'm happy to be here!
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