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#Post#: 77590--------------------------------------------------
Please store your vehicle in your own yard
By: Despedina Date: October 31, 2022, 2:47 pm
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So a little over a year ago MIL sold the family business that
she solely owned. If you care to read a little about it I posted
about it here:
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/>, but I'll keep it simple so there's no need if you don't want
to. In preparing for the sale most everything had to be
cleaned out of the building and off the property. One of the
items was a jeep that was parked there long term. The jeep is
for off roading, not daily use and not titled, and belongs to
BIL's friend Zack. BIL managed the business and allowed Zack to
store the jeep there. DH and I agreed to move it on our trailer
to MIL's field (with her permission) with the understanding that
Zack would be making arrangements to find a permanent location
for it. BIL was going to make this all clear to Zack.
That was mid Oct 2021. In early April we attended a group
offroading weekend. Zack was supposedly, according to BIL coming
to get the jeep for this weekend. He didn't but went to the
weekend events anyway. During some downtime he was sitting next
to me and I asked him what his plans for the jeep were, as it
really was a shame it was in a field with brush growing up
around it. He told me he was going to arrange to move it "in the
next few weeks".
Here we are a year after moving the thing. MIL is clearly
wanting it moved, but is very hesitant to say anything. She
lives alone and as she gets older she's more and more afraid of
people's reactions if she were to ask question. At one point
during the summer she told me we should just take it home with
us since Zack hasn't come get it. A couple of weeks ago I was
enjoying the fall colors and walked past it (its right at the
entrance to the field). It appears somehow a rear-view mirror is
broken off now and woody bushy plants are growing up all around
it. It seems to be 1 growing season away from becoming a
permanent fixture. The field gets mowed for hay by another farm
family and DH often uses MIL's tractor to mow the edges that
they miss. Its in the way.
DH finally had enough of waiting and composed a message through
Facebook messenger asking what Zack's plans are for it, and even
volunteered to use our truck/trailer to deliver it to him. Zack
responded, and obviously didn't read the entire short message,
and said he didn't have a truck/trailer. DH repeated himself.
Zack says he doesn't know where he'd put it. DH indicated it
needs to go. Zack says he'll think about it. Feeling like he was
being pushed off, DH stated he would follow up in one week.
So my question is how long should DH allow Zack to take
advantage of MIL's kindness? We're also concerned that once he
DOES want to come get it, he will bring up the damage on it, and
MIL cannot afford the liability. I told DH maybe put something
like an end of year deadline and then tell Zack it will be
deemed abandoned property (again there is no title or proof of
ownership on this).
#Post#: 77593--------------------------------------------------
Re: Please store your vehicle in your own yard
By: DaDancingPsych Date: October 31, 2022, 3:54 pm
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How long? I would have expected him to remove it from the family
property within days of being told that it could no longer be
stored there. This is waaaaaaay past due in my opinion.
If I was DH, I would set a week deadline. "We need this removed
by next Friday or it will be donated to organization that
accepts old cars / taken to the junk yard." I think that the
problem is that he never had a deadline and there was never a
consequence, so he never felt any urgency to stop using MIL.
If he brings up any of the damages, I would probably respond
with, "Really?!? You abandoned this vehicle for X years and
expect it to be in perfect condition? You're lucky that we
aren't charging you back storage fees." However, I'm also not a
lawyer, so I'm not sure what one might advise you in this
situation.
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Re: Please store your vehicle in your own yard
By: Aleko Date: October 31, 2022, 4:22 pm
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It seems the only actual damage is a broken-off rear-view
mirror, which is really peanuts considering that he has left it
without ever checking up on it for a year. Could have been an
animal, could have just rusted and fallen off. It's likely that
far more deterioration has occurred in the engine from simple
neglect and lack of use. As for the plants growing up through
it, that's entirely on him - BIL told him it was going to be
shifted to an open field, and it was up to him to come and clear
around it. If he complains, just laugh in his face. As for
'affording the liability' - seriously, what liability? You say
it's not titled, so he has no proof that he even owns it!
I agree with DDP that he should be given a really short deadline
- perhaps longer than a week, since it might well not be
possible for him to make time in a week, but say two weeks - and
be told in clear that it will be disposed of as abandoned
property if he doesn't take it by then. (And be prepared to
dispose of it. It doesn't sound as though he really wants it.)
#Post#: 77595--------------------------------------------------
Re: Please store your vehicle in your own yard
By: oogyda Date: October 31, 2022, 6:33 pm
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Check all applicable local laws!!!!
When I was researching "abandoned vehicle" ordinances in the
hopes of getting an unwanted boat and trailer of our property, I
discovered that we (the owners of the property) would be deemed
responsible and if there were fines to be levied, they would be
levied against us. You would want to make sure this won't count
against your MIL.
There may also be some kind of regulations about giving him a
certain amount of notice before disposing of his property. You
would definitely want to make sure you do everything by the book
so he can't make any claims against you.
I think DH has given Zach more than enough time and should start
the process NOW.
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Re: Please store your vehicle in your own yard
By: STiG Date: October 31, 2022, 9:49 pm
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This is BIL's friend? I'd be putting the pressure on BIL, too.
'If Zack refuses to come get his Jeep by November 11th, we're
going to load it up and drop it on your front lawn and you can
deal with him.'
#Post#: 77606--------------------------------------------------
Re: Please store your vehicle in your own yard
By: Despedina Date: November 1, 2022, 11:03 am
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[quote author=STiG link=topic=2418.msg77599#msg77599
date=1667270980]
This is BIL's friend? I'd be putting the pressure on BIL, too.
'If Zack refuses to come get his Jeep by November 11th, we're
going to load it up and drop it on your front lawn and you can
deal with him.'
[/quote]
BIL no longer speaks to DH after the business closed. It was
drama related to the previous thread I linked. DH texts him
often, but BIL doesn't respond and makes sure DH is not at MIL's
house when he wants to visit. No one is quite sure what his
issue is.
#Post#: 77608--------------------------------------------------
Re: Please store your vehicle in your own yard
By: Despedina Date: November 1, 2022, 11:06 am
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[quote author=oogyda link=topic=2418.msg77595#msg77595
date=1667259207]
Check all applicable local laws!!!!
When I was researching "abandoned vehicle" ordinances in the
hopes of getting an unwanted boat and trailer of our property, I
discovered that we (the owners of the property) would be deemed
responsible and if there were fines to be levied, they would be
levied against us. You would want to make sure this won't count
against your MIL.
There may also be some kind of regulations about giving him a
certain amount of notice before disposing of his property. You
would definitely want to make sure you do everything by the book
so he can't make any claims against you.
I think DH has given Zach more than enough time and should start
the process NOW.
[/quote]
This is a very rural area and MIL has 30+ acres. Thankfully
there are no ordinances that would incur fines. I'm more afraid
that the people who come and make hay in the field will run into
it and it will become more drama. DH just wants MIL do deal with
as little drama as possible.
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Re: Please store your vehicle in your own yard
By: Jayhawk Date: November 2, 2022, 2:13 pm
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Two thoughts one serious, one probably not so serious:
Serious thought - please document all conversations, texts,
notices, etc. Commit to writing just in case it blows up.
Not so: what if it just ... disappears one day. If he Zack ever
comes back for it, "Gee, I don't know what happened! Someone
must've stolen it."
#Post#: 77638--------------------------------------------------
Re: Please store your vehicle in your own yard
By: DaDancingPsych Date: November 3, 2022, 6:52 am
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[quote author=Jayhawk link=topic=2418.msg77629#msg77629
date=1667416439]
Not so: what if it just ... disappears one day. If he Zack ever
comes back for it, "Gee, I don't know what happened! Someone
must've stolen it."
[/quote]
Actually, I am not convinced that this one should be off the
table. I would probably start with one last message telling him
that it needs to be removed immediately, but I wouldn't announce
to him that I was removing it. It would just disappear. It would
not surprise me that he never actually comes back for it at this
point.
#Post#: 77644--------------------------------------------------
Re: Please store your vehicle in your own yard
By: random numbers Date: November 3, 2022, 10:34 am
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What about:
Friend, on XXDATE, the Jeep is moving out. It's either going to
a location of your choice within XX miles, or a scrapyard. If it
goes to the scrapyard, we'll pass along to you any money left
over after deducting $$XX (reasonable towing and gas fee).
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