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       #Post#: 75084--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Blowing Off The Plans
       By: DaDancingPsych Date: April 25, 2022, 9:09 am
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       I do think that they want to see the shows. They are
       knowledgeable about the productions and will discuss them in
       detail. Maria seems much more into the shows, but I honestly
       don't doubt Sandy's enjoyment, either. I don't think it's the
       activity causing the issues. I have seen these behaviors during
       other sorts of outings, too. Mainly due the pandemic, this is
       the only type of outing that the three of us are doing together.
       I have considered speaking to Maria directly. The last time that
       Sandy flaked and no showed, I suggested to Maria that if Sandy
       didn't want to invest in all the shows that I would not be
       offended if we added her to the shows that she did want to
       attend. However, this was prior to the carpooling and this most
       recent incident. We only have one more show in this season and
       then will have several month break. The package has already
       renewed for next year. Had this happened prior to renewal
       deadline, I am not sure if it would have changed my decision to
       renew. Either way, I am committed for next season and if more
       incidents of trying to change the plans last minute happen, then
       I do think it would be best to address it directly.
       #Post#: 75088--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Blowing Off The Plans
       By: BeagleMommy Date: April 25, 2022, 10:33 am
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       Maria and Sandy were rude to all involved.
       They were rude to you first by not inviting you to dinner (even
       if you declined), then by texting 5 minutes before curtain to
       tell you they wanted to go elsewhere.
       They were rude to the audience by arriving 15 minutes after
       curtain to take their seats (did people have to move to let them
       in?).
       They were rude to the performers.  This type of late arrival can
       be very distracting to the performers.
       #Post#: 75126--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Blowing Off The Plans
       By: DaDancingPsych Date: April 26, 2022, 9:22 am
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       [quote author=BeagleMommy link=topic=2335.msg75088#msg75088
       date=1650900783]
       They were rude to the audience by arriving 15 minutes after
       curtain to take their seats (did people have to move to let them
       in?).
       [/quote]
       No one had to move to let them in. We have the three end seats
       of the row, so I had moved to the most inside seat to make their
       entrance as easy as possible. The theater also has a policy that
       after the show starts, they will not let you be seated until a
       pause in the show. Unfortunately, this show was very efficient
       with their scene changes, so there wasn't really a pause when
       they made it to their seats. So their entrance was at least
       mildly disruptive.
       With time, I have come to realize that I think that their desire
       to skip the show was because they didn't want to enter late. I
       do understand this. However, their request didn't really take
       into consideration that I had made appropriate plans to be there
       on time. I'm not sure if that makes their actions better or
       worse.
       #Post#: 75134--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Blowing Off The Plans
       By: lowspark Date: April 26, 2022, 11:35 am
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       [quote author=DaDancingPsych link=topic=2335.msg75126#msg75126
       date=1650982937]
       [quote author=BeagleMommy link=topic=2335.msg75088#msg75088
       date=1650900783]
       They were rude to the audience by arriving 15 minutes after
       curtain to take their seats (did people have to move to let them
       in?).
       [/quote]
       No one had to move to let them in. We have the three end seats
       of the row, so I had moved to the most inside seat to make their
       entrance as easy as possible. The theater also has a policy that
       after the show starts, they will not let you be seated until a
       pause in the show. Unfortunately, this show was very efficient
       with their scene changes, so there wasn't really a pause when
       they made it to their seats. So their entrance was at least
       mildly disruptive.
       With time, I have come to realize that I think that their desire
       to skip the show was because they didn't want to enter late. I
       do understand this. However, their request didn't really take
       into consideration that I had made appropriate plans to be there
       on time. I'm not sure if that makes their actions better or
       worse.
       [/quote]
       To the italics, of course not. People who are chronically late
       are never taking into consideration how their behavior affects
       others. If they really thought about that, they wouldn't be
       late.
       I have found that people who are chronically late can and do
       manage to be on time when it is important to them. I had a
       friend years ago who was always late to everything except for
       work. She had a job to which she absolutely could not be late
       due to the nature of the work. And she managed to do it. Of
       course, what that communicated to me and all her other friends
       was that we just weren't important enough to her for her to make
       that effort.
       IMO it's no harder to be on time than it is to be late. You just
       have to count backwards to figure out what time to leave. But
       you're doing that no matter what. If you're always late, you're
       just not building in enough time. Aside from that mental
       exercise, there's no other extra effort.
       I don't really have much advice here except to just not make
       plans with these two that involve being on time to something.
       Since you've already bought the next season, there's not much
       you can do now.
       About the only thing I can suggest is to meet them for dinner on
       theatre nights, and plan to meet 30 min to an hour earlier than
       needed. Then if they are late, you have that extra time padded
       in. But it's up to you if you want to make that effort.
       Ultimately, regardless of what they do, you just have to make up
       your mind to not let it affect your enjoyment of the evening...
       but you already know that! :)
       #Post#: 75147--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Blowing Off The Plans
       By: DaDancingPsych Date: April 27, 2022, 7:14 am
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       lowspark, you bring up such an excellent point. Both of these
       ladies are able to hold down jobs where I assume timeliness is
       important. Maria and I had a discussion about her struggle to be
       on time and I even provided some of the things that I do. But I
       have never considered the fact that they must have figured out
       how to get to work on time.
       I am insanely early sometimes, but I would never expect other
       people to show up as early as I do.
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