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Re: Another dinner party thread - when the hostess serves expire
d food?
By: Aleko Date: February 22, 2022, 2:37 am
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[quote]There are some things one must be very careful of. Even
then, there is a little bit of common sense involved. Once when
we had everyone (kids and grandkids) here for a week, I had
stocked up things and a gallon of milk got left in the garage
fridge until a day past the printed expiration date. I opened
it up and gave it the sniff test and we (DH and I) used it that
day. I bought more that afternoon, and threw the old stuff away
as it was starting to smell bad. I think it lasted because that
fridge is a little colder and was undisturbed for a few days.
But, I knew I was pushing it.[/quote]
Hang on - you say that this milk had been kept in an extra-cold
fridge and was only a day after its best-before date, and it was
already starting to smell bad? That to me says that it had been
badly kept before you bought it - maybe a pallet of milk had
been left sitting in the sun waiting to be loaded on the lorry,
or something of the kind. Of course different countries have
different systems for storing and transporting milk, but I
really never rely on the date on the bottle, simply because milk
is so dependent on the accidents of how it has been shipped and
stored. Especially if you buy it at, or get it delivered from, a
small local shop which is right at the end of the supply chain
and has it delivered in smallish quantities (so it travels for
longer, and can warm up more quickly than a bulk supply would
do). If milk smells and tastes good, it’s good. If it doesn’t,
it isn’t. (Though it still isn’t harmful to health, and you can
make lovely scones with it.)
#Post#: 73910--------------------------------------------------
Re: Another dinner party thread - when the hostess serves expire
d food?
By: Hmmm Date: February 22, 2022, 9:24 am
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A couple and I were talking about a story of a woman posting in
a FB group recently that she had left a carton of eggs in the
car for about an hour and 45 minutes (about 50-60f weather) and
wanted to know if she should throw them out. About half said to
throw out, why risk it. The other half said they were fine as
many leave out eggs longer to bring to room temp before baking.
The couple I was talking to said the wife had left out a carton
of eggs in the car for over a day. He said throw out. She said
she'd eat them. He asked her later in the week if she'd been
eating them. She said "Yep, and you have too."
For those outside of N. America, our egg guidelines require the
eggs to be sanitized prior to selling which removes the outer
layer of the shell and makes it porous. Guidelines state eggs
shouldn't be left out at room temp longer than 2 hours. I
believe Australia is the same guidelines.
#Post#: 73912--------------------------------------------------
Re: Another dinner party thread - when the hostess serves expire
d food?
By: Rose Red Date: February 22, 2022, 10:22 am
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[quote author=Hmmm link=topic=2291.msg73910#msg73910
date=1645543484]
A couple and I were talking about a story of a woman posting in
a FB group recently that she had left a carton of eggs in the
car for about an hour and 45 minutes (about 50-60f weather) and
wanted to know if she should throw them out. About half said to
throw out, why risk it. The other half said they were fine as
many leave out eggs longer to bring to room temp before baking.
The couple I was talking to said the wife had left out a carton
of eggs in the car for over a day. He said throw out. She said
she'd eat them. He asked her later in the week if she'd been
eating them. She said "Yep, and you have too."
[/quote]
I would be livid if someone sneaked me food that I said to throw
out. You can risk yourself but leave me out of it.
I left eggs in the car once and they were the more expensive
brand too. Another time, a canned ham. I'm cheap but I'm not
going to risk it for a few dollars.
#Post#: 73918--------------------------------------------------
Re: Another dinner party thread - when the hostess serves expire
d food?
By: oogyda Date: February 22, 2022, 12:35 pm
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[quote author=Aleko link=topic=2291.msg73909#msg73909
date=1645519068]
[quote]There are some things one must be very careful of. Even
then, there is a little bit of common sense involved. Once when
we had everyone (kids and grandkids) here for a week, I had
stocked up things and a gallon of milk got left in the garage
fridge until a day past the printed expiration date. I opened
it up and gave it the sniff test and we (DH and I) used it that
day. I bought more that afternoon, and threw the old stuff away
as it was starting to smell bad. I think it lasted because that
fridge is a little colder and was undisturbed for a few days.
But, I knew I was pushing it.[/quote]
Hang on - you say that this milk had been kept in an extra-cold
fridge and was only a day after its best-before date, and it was
already starting to smell bad? That to me says that it had been
badly kept before you bought it - maybe a pallet of milk had
been left sitting in the sun waiting to be loaded on the lorry,
or something of the kind. Of course different countries have
different systems for storing and transporting milk, but I
really never rely on the date on the bottle, simply because milk
is so dependent on the accidents of how it has been shipped and
stored. Especially if you buy it at, or get it delivered from, a
small local shop which is right at the end of the supply chain
and has it delivered in smallish quantities (so it travels for
longer, and can warm up more quickly than a bulk supply would
do). If milk smells and tastes good, it’s good. If it doesn’t,
it isn’t. (Though it still isn’t harmful to health, and you can
make lovely scones with it.)
[/quote]
I would need a lovely scone recipe to do that.
Hint, hint. Nudge, nudge.
#Post#: 73926--------------------------------------------------
Re: Another dinner party thread - when the hostess serves expire
d food?
By: Hmmm Date: February 22, 2022, 3:51 pm
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[quote author=Rose Red link=topic=2291.msg73912#msg73912
date=1645546938]
[quote author=Hmmm link=topic=2291.msg73910#msg73910
date=1645543484]
A couple and I were talking about a story of a woman posting in
a FB group recently that she had left a carton of eggs in the
car for about an hour and 45 minutes (about 50-60f weather) and
wanted to know if she should throw them out. About half said to
throw out, why risk it. The other half said they were fine as
many leave out eggs longer to bring to room temp before baking.
The couple I was talking to said the wife had left out a carton
of eggs in the car for over a day. He said throw out. She said
she'd eat them. He asked her later in the week if she'd been
eating them. She said "Yep, and you have too."
[/quote]
I would be livid if someone sneaked me food that I said to throw
out. You can risk yourself but leave me out of it.
I left eggs in the car once and they were the more expensive
brand too. Another time, a canned ham. I'm cheap but I'm not
going to risk it for a few dollars.
[/quote]
He wasn't livid. He thought it was funny.
#Post#: 73964--------------------------------------------------
Re: Another dinner party thread - when the hostess serves expire
d food?
By: STiG Date: February 23, 2022, 6:12 pm
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I've had milk go off before the sell by date many a time. Here
in Ontario, Canada, we get milk in bags - 3 small bags to go in
your pitcher and you snip the corner off to pour, in one larger
bag for a total of 4 L which is ~ 1 US gallon. I've had cases
where the first small bag I grabbed was fine, the second was bad
and the third was fine. In the summer, we carry a cooler bag or
a full sized cooler in the car for when we go shopping. We have
a 10 minute drive to get home from a normal shop, a 30 minute
drive to get home from a Costco stock-up.
Due to my hyper sensitivity to scent, I am a wonderful sensor to
determine if fresh food has gone off. I can smell mould on
bread before it is visible. I can smell - and taste - milk that
is just on the verge of going off. I can smell lettuce getting
wilty and can toss it before it gets slimey.
#Post#: 73971--------------------------------------------------
Re: Another dinner party thread - when the hostess serves expire
d food?
By: Aleko Date: February 24, 2022, 4:23 am
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I posted the recipe for Traditional Sour Milk Scones here today,
and only later realised that I should have put it in the Recipes
folder. So I've moved it to there.
#Post#: 73995--------------------------------------------------
Re: Another dinner party thread - when the hostess serves expire
d food?
By: vintagegal Date: February 24, 2022, 7:45 pm
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Just a note, milk that has gone bad is not the same as sour
milk, and should not be used, as it is unsafe. Better to start
with good milk and add a bit of lemon juice.
Any time I have tasted milk that has gone bad, it has been
bitter, not sour. It's something to do with how it is processed
today as opposed to the old days on the farm.
#Post#: 74005--------------------------------------------------
Re: Another dinner party thread - when the hostess serves expire
d food?
By: Aleko Date: February 25, 2022, 11:17 am
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[code]Just a note, milk that has gone bad is not the same as
sour milk, and should not be used, as it is unsafe. Better to
start with good milk and add a bit of lemon juice.[/code]
But “milk that has gone bad” is precisely what the traditional
British sour milk scone recipe calls for, and literally millions
of British housewives have used it and delighted their families
with it for well over a century. Bad/sour/‘turned’ milk is
different from deliberately soured milk the same distinction
goes for cream).
I have never known nor heard of anybody being harmed by ‘turned’
milk or any food that was made using it - and before fridges
were a universal thing, it was quite normal in warm weather to
have to use slightly-off milk in one’s tea. British junior
schoolchildren used to get a daily gill (5 fl oz) of free milk a
day. It was delivered daily to each school by the milkman, but
in the early 1960s most schools didn’t have a refrigerator big
enough to hold it. So it just sat around at dinner-hall
temperature all morning, and in summer it had quite often begun
to turn by the time we were issued it. There was no question of
not issuing it for that reason, and nobody was allowed to not
drink theirs, either.
#Post#: 74010--------------------------------------------------
Re: Another dinner party thread - when the hostess serves expire
d food?
By: oogyda Date: February 25, 2022, 1:44 pm
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It's my understanding that cooking with (slightly) turned milk
isn't harmful and the acidic flavor (much like buttermilk) adds
the unique flavor one is looking for when using it. I don't
think drinking a little bit would be "harmful", but drinking a
whole serving could very well give one an upset stomach or
intestinal distress.
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