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Re: Disciplining Other People's Dogs
DIR By: holly firestorm
Date: August 14, 2021, 7:18 pm
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Well, try to keep in mind that they had no right expecting you
to put up with it in the first place. And, you were just trying
to be polite. People take advantage of that too often. I could
start citing first and second hand examples, but, it would end
up being a book.
It's also possible that they sincerely thought this was OK since
you never insisted on the dogs stopping the behavior before.
Too many people mistake "nice" for "weak" and when the nice
person finally opens her mouth in anger the attitude is often,
"What made you such a b**ch today?" So, maybe when you go there
just refuse their offer of a seat and explain, "Whenever I sit
down I get your pets jumping all over me. I have nothing against
your pets, but, that's been really unpleasant for me. Would you
please stop them from now on?" If a polite request like that is
met with indifference, hostility or scorn, then you know what
kind of people you are really dealing with and can disregard
their wishes accordingly...or meet them someplace pets are not
allowed from then on.
#Post#: 69284--------------------------------------------------
Re: Disciplining Other People's Dogs
DIR By: EtiquetteE
Date: August 14, 2021, 11:18 pm
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I think this is a my house, my rules situation. If you know you
have friends/family houses with badly behaved dogs; don't go.
You can't control what they do/how they train their pets, but
you can control what you are willing to do/not do. I'm allergic
to cats and dogs and so I just avoid houses with pets because
that's what is best for me.
There was one case where I was at a brewery where they allowed
dogs. I was sitting at a bar and a women let her big husky dog
jump up on the person sitting next to me. This was pre-COVID
when seating was close. I looked at her and said "I'm allergic
to dogs, please control your dog". She apologized and left. I
haven't been back to that place since.
#Post#: 69285--------------------------------------------------
Re: Disciplining Other People's Dogs
DIR By: Aleko
Date: August 15, 2021, 4:25 am
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--- Quote ---
> While I wasn't exactly faking enthusiasm for the dogs
behaviour I was gritting my teeth and enduring. I'm tired of
it. I've definitely gotten less tolerant and push them off and
tell them sharply "No! and "Get down"
--- End Quote ---
It isn’t advisable to be sharp with dogs in that kind of
situation. It doesn’t help to calm them, and it tends to
alienate their owners.
I find that very often dogs which jump up, bark, and are a
general nuisance have owners who routinely excite them
unintentionally by not only rebuking them in a frenetic manner
(“Tibbles! No! Bad dog! Get down!”) but praising and
loving them equally frenetically (“Whosagoodboyden! Yes!
Uzzawuzzawuzza! Look who’s here, Auntie Xainte! Say
hello!”) So naturally the dogs respond in kind. Sometimes
when I’ve been left in charge of a dog while its frenetic
owners take themselves off somewhere else, and have practised
the calm-kind-but-standing-no-nonsense manner, it has calmed
down a lot quite quickly. I used to look after a dog belonging
to relatives whose multi-child house was always full of noise
and small dramas, added to by the dog which barked and
misbehaved. When dropped off at our (child-free) house she would
give an almost-palpable sigh of relief, snooze for half a day,
and thereafter was generally good as gold.
#Post#: 69290--------------------------------------------------
Re: Disciplining Other People's Dogs
DIR By: honeybee42
Date: August 15, 2021, 8:16 am
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--- Quote from: Aleko link ---
>
> [quote]Don't give a dog people chocolate. (I'm sure there are
safe alternatives specifically made for dogs.)
--- End Quote ---
Indeed there are.(‘Doggy chocolate’ is made of carob.) Which, to
my mind, is just perverse. Dogs manifestly aren’t meant to eat
chocolate, any more than horses are meant to eat beefburgers; so
why create a fake chocolate for them to eat, which will only
induce in them a desire to eat the real thing?
An even simpler and better rule is: Don’t ever give someone’s
animal anything to eat without the owner’s explicit permission.
Even if the food you’re offering is suitable for the species,
you don’t know if the animal is on a special vet-prescribed
regimen, or needs to lose weight, or simply is being trained not
to take food from anyone but its owner (a very sensible
precaution, given the horrifically inappropriate ‘treats’ people
like Holly’s sister’s friend will offer them).
[/quote]
In fact, my aunt had a dog once that she had trained to *only*
eat something if a code word was said first (in this case, she
had chosen "bananas"), and that dog really would not eat, even
if someone was feeding the dog because she was away until that
word was spoken. She would tell the person who was caring for
the dog to be sure to say "bananas" after setting the food down,
as the dog would not eat, no matter how hungry, unless
permission through the code word was given. Not being a dog
person myself, I haven't asked how she managed to do that.
I did find this article
HTML https://www.yourpurebredpuppy.com/training/articles/dog-respect-training.html<br
/> More or less confirms my general thought that it's rather
unkind to a dog to not give the dog proper discipline.
Unfortunately, I don't think there's much help for relationships
with people who don't care enough to give a dog what it truly
needs.
#Post#: 69301--------------------------------------------------
Re: Disciplining Other People's Dogs
DIR By: NewHomeowner
Date: August 16, 2021, 5:36 am
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--- Quote from: jpcher link ---
>
> (snip)
> However, this is the kind of person who would not react nicely
if I told her that her dogs could be trained to not jump. So I
simply never visit her at her house. I won't tell her why, but
I'll never go.
>
--- End Quote ---
Why on earth would you not tell a friend the true reason for not
going over to her home?
[/quote]
It's not like she asks a lot. We mostly just meet for dinner
and to exchange books.
#Post#: 69304--------------------------------------------------
Re: Disciplining Other People's Dogs
DIR By: andicatt
Date: August 16, 2021, 7:55 am
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Thank you gramma dishes! The first time the dog jumped on me I
didn't have a chance to put my knee up. All of a sudden his
paws were on my chest. I pushed him down with his forehead.
The next time I did get my knee up and gently pushed and the
second time too. Both times he actually sat and looked at me
like I was crazy, lol. I praised him and he didn't jump again!
Yeah!!!!!!
#Post#: 69313--------------------------------------------------
Re: Disciplining Other People's Dogs
DIR By: Hmmm
Date: August 16, 2021, 11:19 am
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--- Quote from: holly firestorm link ---
>
> [quote author=Jem link=topic=2137.msg69191#msg69191
date=1628792010]
> [quote author=BeagleMommy link=topic=2137.msg69185#msg69185
date=1628790004]
> I think it would be best for you to visit these people on
neutral territory where dogs are not permitted.
>
--- End Quote ---
I agree. Another thing that makes me crazy is outdoor patios
that allow dogs and owners who do not control their pets.
Especially when eating I don't personally want animals near me.
Also, when going out as a group and someone brings a dog so that
the only available seating would be on a patio so the entire
party has to wait when everyone else would prefer to sit
indoors.
[/quote]
I don't know where you live. But, I can tell you that US laws do
not allow non-service dogs in restaurants. When it comes to
patios, I'm not 100% sure. But, if your pooch pampering pal is
invited to go out to dinner with you and the majority of the
party would prefer to dine inside, unless the pooch is an SD
(and that does NOT include 'Emotional Support Animals'), the
rest of you need to tell her you won't tolerate it anymore and
she needs to leave pampered poochie at home.
[/quote]
Are you sure there is a National Law in the US? I thought this
was regulated at the State level.
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Re: Disciplining Other People's Dogs
DIR By: gramma dishes
Date: August 16, 2021, 1:09 pm
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--- Quote from: andicatt link ---
>
> Thank you gramma dishes! The first time the dog jumped on me
I didn't have a chance to put my knee up. All of a sudden his
paws were on my chest. I pushed him down with his forehead.
The next time I did get my knee up and gently pushed and the
second time too. Both times he actually sat and looked at me
like I was crazy, lol. I praised him and he didn't jump again!
Yeah!!!!!!
>
--- End Quote ---
Happy to hear it worked for you! ;D
#Post#: 69318--------------------------------------------------
Re: Disciplining Other People's Dogs
DIR By: holly firestorm
Date: August 16, 2021, 1:58 pm
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--- Quote from: Hmmm link ---
>
> [quote author=holly firestorm
link=topic=2137.msg69207#msg69207 date=1628821287]
> [quote author=Jem link=topic=2137.msg69191#msg69191
date=1628792010]
> [quote author=BeagleMommy link=topic=2137.msg69185#msg69185
date=1628790004]
> I think it would be best for you to visit these people on
neutral territory where dogs are not permitted.
>
--- End Quote ---
I agree. Another thing that makes me crazy is outdoor patios
that allow dogs and owners who do not control their pets.
Especially when eating I don't personally want animals near me.
Also, when going out as a group and someone brings a dog so that
the only available seating would be on a patio so the entire
party has to wait when everyone else would prefer to sit
indoors.
[/quote]
I don't know where you live. But, I can tell you that US laws do
not allow non-service dogs in restaurants. When it comes to
patios, I'm not 100% sure. But, if your pooch pampering pal is
invited to go out to dinner with you and the majority of the
party would prefer to dine inside, unless the pooch is an SD
(and that does NOT include 'Emotional Support Animals'), the
rest of you need to tell her you won't tolerate it anymore and
she needs to leave pampered poochie at home.
[/quote]
Are you sure there is a National Law in the US? I thought this
was regulated at the State level.
[/quote]
Some are local laws. Some are National under the ADA Laws. I'm
pretty sure non-SD's are not allowed in restaurants anywhere in
the US (except some patios) although plenty of establishments
and customers ignore the law. >:(
#Post#: 69320--------------------------------------------------
Re: Disciplining Other People's Dogs
DIR By: LurkingGurl
Date: August 16, 2021, 2:13 pm
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--- Quote from: holly firestorm link ---
>
> [quote author=Hmmm link=topic=2137.msg69313#msg69313
date=1629130761]
> [quote author=holly firestorm
link=topic=2137.msg69207#msg69207 date=1628821287]
> [quote author=Jem link=topic=2137.msg69191#msg69191
date=1628792010]
> [quote author=BeagleMommy link=topic=2137.msg69185#msg69185
date=1628790004]
> I think it would be best for you to visit these people on
neutral territory where dogs are not permitted.
>
--- End Quote ---
I agree. Another thing that makes me crazy is outdoor patios
that allow dogs and owners who do not control their pets.
Especially when eating I don't personally want animals near me.
Also, when going out as a group and someone brings a dog so that
the only available seating would be on a patio so the entire
party has to wait when everyone else would prefer to sit
indoors.
[/quote]
I don't know where you live. But, I can tell you that US laws do
not allow non-service dogs in restaurants. When it comes to
patios, I'm not 100% sure. But, if your pooch pampering pal is
invited to go out to dinner with you and the majority of the
party would prefer to dine inside, unless the pooch is an SD
(and that does NOT include 'Emotional Support Animals'), the
rest of you need to tell her you won't tolerate it anymore and
she needs to leave pampered poochie at home.
[/quote]
Are you sure there is a National Law in the US? I thought this
was regulated at the State level.
[/quote]
Some are local laws. Some are National under the ADA Laws. I'm
pretty sure non-SD's are not allowed in restaurants anywhere in
the US (except some patios) although plenty of establishments
and customers ignore the law. >:(
[/quote]
The only federal laws that would apply would be those that
mandate that service dogs be allowed. Laws that regulate whether
all other dogs would be allowed or not would be at the state
level. 17 states have laws or regulations that permit pets only
on outdoor patios. Some states allow dogs to come into places
like breweries that do not serve food.
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