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Re: Easter Dinner with an Occasional Vegan
By: Aleko Date: March 23, 2021, 3:14 pm
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[quote]I'm still wondering what she eats everyday. Zero carb
vegetables and........that's it? I feel dizzy just thinking
about it. Maybe she also eat nuts, tofu, and mushrooms.[/quote]
This might well be just a crash diet, though, not something she
intends to maintain as a norm.
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Re: Easter Dinner with an Occasional Vegan
By: ABL Date: March 23, 2021, 11:35 pm
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ETA: I apologize that I *completely missed* the whole no-carb,
etc. update from the OP... so my amendments to the original
menu won't work, but she won't be eating them (so no issue for
the OP). I definitely think she should be 100% responsible for
bringing her own meal now though... She's being a PITA (& her
"diet" sounds like a mishmash of a few of the latest trends &
not all that balanced).
For most Vegan subs (on the cheap - less than $10 US), you can
pretty much just replace butter with Earth Balance or coconut
oil, milk with Almond/Nut Milk, & leave off the cheese &/or meat
(put it to the side & allow people to add). If there's eggs,
there are a bunch of typical pantry items for subs that are also
vegan & easy (applesauce, etc.). This allows for most recipes
to be made like 'normal' & with minimal inconvenience & cost to
the cook. I wouldn't purchase the fancy replacements, like the
Field Roast unless I knew that more than 1 person would eat it.
As a person who has a food allergy, it's challenging to eat at
someone else's home when they don't have any restrictions (&
aren't used to accommodating for them). I can't have any dairy
products, so everything I make is dairy free... with all the
new products, it gets easier every year. I make DF
substitutions for dairy products in everything, including all of
my family recipes & no one can even tell (including my family,
who still eat dairy regularly & have eaten the recipes the
original way).
You are a nice person who wants to make your guest feel
welcome... even though she's being kind of a pain, IMO.
🧐
I do think she should volunteer/offer to bring a vegan dish (or
2) to help you out - especially since she's eating vegan
*specifically for weight loss* & I would think she would be
counting calories/portions.
Typically, when you are asking someone to accommodate your diet
(& you are the ONLY person in a large group), it's a lot
easier/simpler to bring food that you can eat safely & it's a
lot less hassle for the host. In my experience, even when
someone is trying to accommodate your restrictions & isn't used
to adapting their recipes, it's 50/50 if they will successfully
accomplish it (as they are used to doing it a certain way & may
not realize something violates your diet). I have a ton of
wonderful people in my life who don't mind cooking things so
that I don't get accidentally 'poisoned' with dairy & they still
manage to forget (they end up on auto) even when they know what
to avoid... Like adding butter to the foil when they bake
potatoes... (I always ask specifically before I eat anything,
just to make sure!)
Overall, it's a pretty normal practice to bring SOMETHING for
yourself to eat when you have a food allergy or sensitivity/have
a dietary restriction/are on a special diet, unless you are 100%
POSITIVE that they can make the entire meal to accommodate your
restriction/diet.
To make your menu more 'vegan' friendly (no animal products),
here are my suggestions/substitutions:
Ham
Well, there isn't really a true 'Ham' sub that I've had... but
Field Roast makes a Plant-Based Vegan "Celebration Roast",
(
HTML https://fieldroast.com/products/#roasts-loaves)
which is good.
It's in the freezer section. My Mom is vegetarian, so I've made
it/eaten it a few times (It's not very big & fits in a smallish
CorningWare dish).
Green Beans
Use Vegan Butter Substitute & Put Bacon on the Side. -or- Steam
a portion of the GB & add Vegan Butter or Olive Oil w/ Salt &
Pepper.
Sweet Potatoes
Use Vegan Butter & Cream Substitutes -or- Take a portion of the
cooked sweet potatoes out to make a smaller dish/portion w/
vegan subs.
I often make Mashed Sweet Potatoes with Vegan Butter &
Plain/Unsweetened Nut Milk (typically Almond or Cashew).
Sometimes I make them with Vegan Butter & Vegan Creamer -or-
Vegan Butter & Vegan Plain Cream Cheese.
Mom's Homemade Bread
The most common vegan bread types: sourdough, Ezekiel bread,
ciabatta, focaccia, & baguettes. You will have the best luck
typically looking in the bakery section vs. the grocery bread
aisle (in my experience).
La Brea Bakery - French Baguette (Take & Bake) - I've seen this
in quite a few grocery stores & I think I've even bought it
before, so hopefully you can find it near you.
- Most of their breads are Vegan (Don't pick anything with
Cheese or Honey) [
HTML https://www.labreabakery.com/faq]
Potatoes
Sauté in Vegan Butter instead. No one will be able to tell the
difference.
Pierogi
I don't know if you are making them from scratch, but if you
are, here is a Vegan recipe
(
HTML https://www.elephantasticvegan.com/vegan-pierogi-with-potatoes/)<br
/>which sounds pretty close to the 'regular' way & a fancier
version (
HTML https://www.connoisseurusveg.com/vegan-pierogies/),<br
/>although you could add shredded vegan cheese instead of the
nutritional yeast & white wine vinegar. If your pierogi don't
have egg in the dough (which seems to be common for store
bought), finding a potato or potato/onion vs a potato/cheese is
what you are looking for.
- Sauté Onions & Pierogi in Vegan Butter.
*I know there are vegan store bought versions, but they are
probably going to be 'accidentally vegan' & you will have to
read the ingredients. (Mrs. T's Onion/Potato have eggs, so they
aren't vegan, just dairy free). You could order them online but
the ones that I found are pretty expensive... I have no idea if
they are any good
(
HTML https://www.pierogiesfactory.com/search?q=Vegan).
You could possibly use Kite Hill Ravioli, as they are vegan &
could be treated like Pierogi
[
HTML https://www.kite-hill.com/our-food/entrees/].
*I've
unfortunately never been able to find them locally, so I haven't
managed to try them yet, but I've heard good things.*
Cookies
Depending on what cookies you are making, you can sub either
Vegan Butter, Coconut Oil, or Shortening.
(Don't pre-melt in the microwave unless recipe specifically asks
for melted... Leaving it on the counter for 15-30 minutes to
soften is normally enough to make sure it's soft, but not liquid
& works perfectly.)
There won't be any difference in taste if you use the EB or Melt
Sticks vs Dairy Butter. You may want to chill your dough before
baking to make sure they don't spread too much (which I also
recommend even if you use dairy butter).
If you need eggs, plain/unsweetened applesauce is a pretty
common sub for sweet items (there are other options too if you
google). There are also multiple brands of vegan egg subs.
- Cake -
Honestly? If she's trying to loose weight, she would probably
skip the cake anyway.
A bowl of fresh fruit [Strawberries, Blueberries, Pineapple,
Raspberries, Cantaloupe, Watermelon, etc.] (with a small bit of
sugar, if needed) is a perfectly acceptable sub for the Tres
Leches Cake.
- Ratatouille -
Just make sure he doesn't sauté anything in butter & that any
cheese is on the side (& not added prior to serving).
Substitutes - All Vegan
- Butter or Margarine -
Melt Organic Vegan Butter Spread or Sticks (My favorite!)
[
HTML https://meltorganic.com/our-products/]
Earth Balance Vegan Buttery Spread or Sticks (I typically use
the Soy Free in the Pink Container/Box, but the others are also
fine.) [
HTML https://www.earthbalancenatural.com/spreads]
Miyoko’s Creamery European-Style Vegan Butter
[
HTML https://miyokos.com/products/vegan-butter]
Kite Hill Butter Alternative
[
HTML https://www.kite-hill.com/our-food/butter-alternative/]
*I've
never had this, since they don't seem to carry it in my local
stores, but based on everything else they make, it's probably
delicious.*
- Coconut Oil as an Alternate Butter or Margarine -
Nutiva Organic Extra Virgin Coconut Oil
[
HTML https://store.nutiva.com/products/organic-virgin-coconut-oil]
* Any brand that is organic, extra virgin, & refined is
typically vegan safe. *
- Shortening (also as an Alternate Butter or Margarine) -
Spectrum's Organic All-Vegetable Shortening
(
HTML http://www.spectrumorganics.com/product/organic-all-vegetable-shortening/)
Nutiva Organic Vegan Shortening
- Cream / Heavy Whipping Cream / Coffee Creamer -
* The key is to make sure whatever you choose is 'PLAIN' &
'UNSWEETENED'. There are other cream/creamers, but they are
often 'Plain' but will be sweetened... which is not very tasty
when making potatoes (or another savory dish). *
Silk’s Dairy-Free Heavy Whipping Cream Alternative
[
HTML https://silk.com/plant-based-products/creamer/dairy-free-heavy-whipping-cream-alternative/]
Nutpods Original Unsweetened Dairy-Free Creamer
[
HTML https://www.nutpods.com/products/original-11-2oz]
Nutpods Oat Original Unsweetened Dairy-Free Creamer
Califia Farms Unsweetened Better Half Creamer
[
HTML https://www.califiafarms.com/collections/shop-all/products/unsweetened-better-half-1]
- Cream Cheese -
Kite Hill Cream Cheese Alternative
[
HTML https://www.kite-hill.com/our-food/cream-cheese-style-spreads/]
- Sour Cream -
Kite Hill Plain Cream Cheese Alternative
[
HTML https://www.kite-hill.com/our-food/sour-cream/]
Kite Hill Plain/Unsweetened Greek Style Yogurt
[
HTML https://www.kite-hill.com/our-food/yogurts-greek/]
*This works
really well as a sour cream alternative!*
Forager Plain/Unsweetened Cashew Yogurt
[
HTML https://www.foragerproject.com/product/organic-unsweetened-plain-dairy-free-cashew-yogurt/]<br
/>*This also works as a sour cream alternative, but it's not qui
te
as thick.*
~ I don't recommend the Tofutti Sour Cream or Cream Cheese...
It's funky. ~
- Cheese -
Violife - ANYTHING! Their cheese is almost identical to dairy
(taste/texture), IMO & you can use as a 1:1 sub.
[
HTML https://violifefoods.com/us/our-products/]
Field Roast Chao Cheese (Shreds, Slices, Block, & Frozen Mac &
Cheese) [
HTML https://fieldroast.com/products/#chao-slices]
*Commonly
carried @ Target*
Kite Hill Almond Milk Ricotta Alternative
[
HTML https://www.kite-hill.com/our-food/artisanal-delicacy/]
So Delicious Shreds
[
HTML https://sodeliciousdairyfree.com/dairy-free-foods/cheese-alternatives/shreds/]<br
/>*Use about 1/3 to 1/2 of what you would normally use for dairy
cheese, as it gets weird if you use too much.*
Miyoko’s Creamery Cheeses - They make a variety & I use their
Mozzarella & their Brie occasionally.
[
HTML https://miyokos.com/pages/products]
- Milk -
I drink/use for cooking "Plain & Unsweetened" nut (or plant
based) milk. Most of the time I use Almond or Cashew as they
work well for cooking. I typically avoid soy & only use oat if
I'm planning on using it for something sweet. I've actually
used Vanilla Unsweetened Almond Milk for baking Blueberry Banana
Bread (it was an accidental purchase) & in my Granola Cereal for
breakfast.
Califia Farms Plain/Unsweetened Almond Milk
[
HTML https://www.califiafarms.com/collections/shop-all/products/unsweetened-48oz]<br
/>*What I buy most often.*
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Re: Easter Dinner with an Occasional Vegan
By: Aleko Date: March 24, 2021, 3:06 am
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[quote]-Ratatouille- Just make sure he doesn't sauté anything in
butter & that any cheese is on the side (& not added prior to
serving).[/quote]
I would say, and I’m confident that any French cook who ever
lived would say, that anything with cheese in it isn’t
ratatouille!
I’ve literally never heard of such a thing. How and at what
stage could you add cheese to a ratatouille and not make it into
a nasty mess? What kind of cheese could the vegetable tolerate,
flavour-wise? I’m curious, in a bad way.
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Re: Easter Dinner with an Occasional Vegan
By: Rose Red Date: March 24, 2021, 6:18 am
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[quote author=Aleko link=topic=2010.msg64813#msg64813
date=1616530441]
[quote]I'm still wondering what she eats everyday. Zero carb
vegetables and........that's it? I feel dizzy just thinking
about it. Maybe she also eat nuts, tofu, and mushrooms.[/quote]
This might well be just a crash diet, though, not something she
intends to maintain as a norm.
[/quote]
Yes it's a crash diet. The OP says this person is an occasional
vegan and her goal is weight loss; not a lifestyle change. I
said above that diets don't work, especially such an extreme
diet, and wouldn't be surprised if she caves in at Easter and
eat the OP's feast.
But Easter is still weeks away so she has to eat *something* of
substance in the meantime. What proteins is she eating during
these weeks or months? I can't imagine being able to function a
work day by only eating vegetables.
#Post#: 64823--------------------------------------------------
Re: Easter Dinner with an Occasional Vegan
By: Rose Red Date: March 24, 2021, 6:32 am
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ABL, that's a nice post but I don't think the OP needs to go
through the time and expense for one person. A person who is an
occasional vegan; not someone who needs food substitutes for
medical or ethical reasons. And this time she's not eating carbs
and sugar so that means no fruit or potatoes.
Buying a plant based roast and separate condiments for one meal
is expensive. The OP is doing enough by providing the two extra
vegetable dishes to accommodate her.
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Re: Easter Dinner with an Occasional Vegan
By: Jem Date: March 24, 2021, 7:58 am
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[quote author=Rose Red link=topic=2010.msg64822#msg64822
date=1616584692]
[quote author=Aleko link=topic=2010.msg64813#msg64813
date=1616530441]
[quote]I'm still wondering what she eats everyday. Zero carb
vegetables and........that's it? I feel dizzy just thinking
about it. Maybe she also eat nuts, tofu, and mushrooms.[/quote]
This might well be just a crash diet, though, not something she
intends to maintain as a norm.
[/quote]
Yes it's a crash diet. The OP says this person is an occasional
vegan and her goal is weight loss; not a lifestyle change. I
said above that diets don't work, especially such an extreme
diet, and wouldn't be surprised if she caves in at Easter and
eat the OP's feast.
But Easter is still weeks away so she has to eat *something* of
substance in the meantime. What proteins is she eating during
these weeks or months? I can't imagine being able to function a
work day by only eating vegetables.
[/quote]
Somewhat off topic, but yeah, this "diet" plan seems extremely
ill advised. I have no idea how much weight this person seeks to
lose, but almost certainly her current plan is not going to
succeed. Being vegan is not a weight loss diet plan in and of
itself (Oreos are vegan, for example), and if she is also
cutting out foods with substance she is most definitely setting
herself up for failure.
If she truly wants to lose weight, she would focus on moving
more and consuming fewer calories than she burns with a focus on
nutrition (specifically protein and carbohydrates), not cutting
out foods she thinks are "fattening." When people say "diets
don't work" that is really only part of the story; the "diet,"
if followed, will result in weight loss, it is just that most
people cannot follow extreme diets long term, and certainly not
for the rest of their lives. "Diets" that are actually lifestyle
plans work long term, and generally do not involve the types of
severe restrictions this person seems to say she is following.
She would be better off eating normal or slightly smaller
portions of what the OP is serving than trying to restrict
herself to her modified vegan crash diet.
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Re: Easter Dinner with an Occasional Vegan
By: BeagleMommy Date: March 24, 2021, 9:05 am
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She tried this two years ago and did lose some weight, but
didn't keep it off.
#Post#: 64838--------------------------------------------------
Re: Easter Dinner with an Occasional Vegan
By: Rose Red Date: March 24, 2021, 9:20 am
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Exactly. I keep writing and deleting long and passionate posts
about the topic of extreme, yo-yo, and starvation diets, but
that's not what the OP is asking so I'm biting my
tongue/fingers.
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Re: Easter Dinner with an Occasional Vegan
By: BeagleMommy Date: March 24, 2021, 2:18 pm
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[quote author=Rose Red link=topic=2010.msg64838#msg64838
date=1616595655]
Exactly. I keep writing and deleting long and passionate posts
about the topic of extreme, yo-yo, and starvation diets, but
that's not what the OP is asking so I'm biting my
tongue/fingers.
[/quote]
I hear you, Rose Red.
The last time she went on this diet she didn't tell me before
they came for dinner so I was not prepared to feed a vegan (even
a temporary one). She is a sweet person and adores my cousin
but she has some self image issues. She is curvy and beautiful
but carries all her weight in her hips and thighs so she thinks
she's obese. She is otherwise healthy and I wish I could
convince her that she shouldn't go on a fad diet to reach some
unattainable weight loss goal.
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Re: Easter Dinner with an Occasional Vegan
By: gramma dishes Date: March 24, 2021, 2:39 pm
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[quote author=BeagleMommy link=topic=2010.msg64850#msg64850
date=1616613487]
[quote author=Rose Red link=topic=2010.msg64838#msg64838
date=1616595655]
Exactly. I keep writing and deleting long and passionate posts
about the topic of extreme, yo-yo, and starvation diets, but
that's not what the OP is asking so I'm biting my
tongue/fingers.
[/quote]
... She is curvy and beautiful but carries all her weight in
her hips and thighs so she thinks she's obese. She is otherwise
healthy and I wish I could convince her that she shouldn't go on
a fad diet to reach some unattainable weight loss goal.
[/quote]
Tell her you know a woman who would LOVE to have some of that
stuff she's got going on for hips. My sister was smallish but
had a curvy behind and I on the other hand looked like someone
had shoved an ironing board down the back of my dress. I got
NOTHING! :'(
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