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       #Post#: 58435--------------------------------------------------
       Re: You and Your Mother
   DIR By: Rose Red
       Date: October 4, 2020, 9:01 am
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       --- Quote from: Gellchom link ---
       >
       > I don't understand why it would be insulting for someone to
       mistake siblings for a couple, though.  It can happen quite
       innocently for a lot of reasons, and anyway, where is the insult
       (as opposed to squick factor)?
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       I already posted above that I usually correct them and they
       apologize, so I'm fine with that and don't feel insulted.
       There's nothing to feel offended about because they don't know.
       I only felt offended by that hospital who didn't believe me when
       I corrected them.
       #Post#: 58436--------------------------------------------------
       Re: You and Your Mother
   DIR By: Gellchom
       Date: October 4, 2020, 9:55 am
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       --- Quote from: Rose Red link ---
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       > [quote author=Gellchom link=topic=1882.msg58420#msg58420
       date=1601781315]
       > I don't understand why it would be insulting for someone to
       mistake siblings for a couple, though.  It can happen quite
       innocently for a lot of reasons, and anyway, where is the insult
       (as opposed to squick factor)?
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       I already posted above that I usually correct them and they
       apologize, so I'm fine with that and don't feel insulted.
       There's nothing to feel offended about because they don't know.
       I only felt offended by that hospital who didn't believe me when
       I corrected them.
       [/quote]
       Sorry, Rose Red — I wasn’t responding to your post.  I agree
       that they were ridiculous not to believe you.  How rude.  And
       how funny - like when people think you don’t know your own name.
       #Post#: 58437--------------------------------------------------
       Re: You and Your Mother
   DIR By: Lilipons
       Date: October 4, 2020, 10:32 am
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       I’ve written about this before but my experience seems to fit
       here.
       When we were getting engaged I showed a photo of the future Mr.
       Pons and me to family members. An aunt loudly proclaimed, ‘HE’S
       TOO OLD FOR YOU!’  Well yes, he’s albino so he has white hair.
       At the time, he was  often mistaken for David Hockney but he
       didn’t look THAT old.
       Actually, I am three years older than he is.
       During the first few years of our marriage I was repeatedly
       thought to be Mr. Pons’ mother.  I was never able to figure out
       how that happened.  It happened at a gym, it happened in shops
       and it happened on vacations.
       It was not a pleasant situation.
       #Post#: 58438--------------------------------------------------
       Re: You and Your Mother
   DIR By: sandisadie
       Date: October 4, 2020, 11:59 am
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       I've told this before also.  When I was in my late 40's, early
       50's and my daughter and I were somewhere together people all
       the time thought we were sisters.  I was 22 when she was born
       but I've always looked quite a bit younger then my age, since
       I've been an adult.  We usually just laughed and pointed to me
       and said I was the Mother, she was the daughter.  When I was in
       my mid 60's and raising two granddaughters of my 2nd husband I
       was assumed to be their Mother also.  They were ages 8 and 9
       when they came to live with us and even into their teen years I
       was assumed to be their mother many times by strangers.  I've
       always found this to be amusing and usually when strangers find
       out the truth they are a little embarrassed.
       #Post#: 58439--------------------------------------------------
       Re: You and Your Mother
   DIR By: Rose Red
       Date: October 4, 2020, 12:34 pm
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       My mom lived a hard life and her younger sister have it easier,
       and sadly for my mom, it showed. She still tries to keep a nice
       appearance. A shop keeper mistook her for her sister's mother.
       It hurt her deeply because although she is older and looks it,
       she still doesn't look old enough to be her sister's mother.
       People need to stop assuming people's relationship. Why can't
       they just ask how two people know each other?
       #Post#: 58440--------------------------------------------------
       Re: You and Your Mother
   DIR By: Aleko
       Date: October 4, 2020, 12:50 pm
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       > People need to stop assuming people's relationship. Why can't
       they just ask how two people know each other?
       --- End Quote ---
       Or, 'Are you two related?', which of course covers marital
       relationships too?
       #Post#: 58442--------------------------------------------------
       Re: You and Your Mother
   DIR By: cymbaline246
       Date: October 4, 2020, 2:09 pm
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       I have a relative that works in the social service arena, and
       who quickly learned to ask of the client and *whomever
       accompanied him/her,* "And you're...[pause] family?"
       #Post#: 58443--------------------------------------------------
       Re: You and Your Mother
   DIR By: pierrotlunaire0
       Date: October 4, 2020, 4:11 pm
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       Once I was the offending person. When I worked for the DMV, I
       had a couple in front of me, and the male was pouting and being
       more than unreasonable, taking offense to everything and
       anything that had happened or that I was saying. I finally
       turned to the woman, and a comment that when her and her son
       came back with the proper paperwork -- "I'm his wife!" she
       exclaimed in shock. "Do you think I look that much older than
       him?"
       I apologized profusely, and then went on to speak of the
       regulations that required whatever U was asking of them. I
       didn't explain why I had made such an insulting assumption: he
       was acting like a spoiled teenager, and was coming across like a
       16 year old. I didn't think I should explain. It might have made
       her feel a little better, but my assumption was very insulting
       to him, and considering what a tantrum he was throwing, she
       would have had to put up with more bad behavior on his part. I
       learned in the future to do what Cymbaline recommends: Do not
       make any assumptions, and let them fill in where they see fit.
       "Now are the two of you related? Oh? In what way?"
       #Post#: 58447--------------------------------------------------
       Re: You and Your Mother
   DIR By: Gellchom
       Date: October 4, 2020, 7:12 pm
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       But it's not always a situation in which you would ask.  Like,
       "Excuse me, but your sister dropped this" or a clerk asking
       someone who had accompanied someone who is in the dressing room
       "Does your sister like green?"  It would be odd to begin by
       asking about their relationship.
       #Post#: 58448--------------------------------------------------
       Re: You and Your Mother
   DIR By: OnyxBird
       Date: October 4, 2020, 7:34 pm
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       --- Quote from: Gellchom link ---
       >
       > I don't understand why it would be insulting for someone to
       mistake siblings for a couple, though.  It can happen quite
       innocently for a lot of reasons, and anyway, where is the insult
       (as opposed to squick factor)?  People often quite reasonably
       get confused about my brother and me, because he and I have the
       same last name, and my husband doesn't.  When we were all
       younger, too, and they were wearing their beards the same way,
       they looked a lot alike, so people got confused and thought that
       they were the siblings and I was the married-in.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       --- Quote from: Gellchom link ---
       >
       > Sorry, Rose Red — I wasn’t responding to your post.  I agree
       that they were ridiculous not to believe you.  How rude.  And
       how funny - like when people think you don’t know your own name.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       I take it you were responding to me, then, since I think I'm the
       only other person who mentioned this scenario prior to your
       post?
       I don't find being mistaken for a couple insulting, as if the
       idea I could be in a relationship with a person like my brother
       is derogatory. Nor am I insulted/offended by the fact that
       someone we met privately guessed/speculated what our
       relationship to one another might be. However, the man I talked
       about didn't just speculate to himself, but assumed his weirdly
       specific speculation was correct (with zero evidence that I
       could identify) and spoke as if it was fact. I found that to be
       very presumptuous and weird. The squick aspect that what he was
       suggesting would have been incestuous and the implication that
       he by default assumes a relationship between two opposite-gender
       people is romantic rather than platonic (since we obviously
       weren't doing anything indicating a romantic relationship) adds
       to the annoyance for me.
       It would be similarly jarring/presumptuous for someone to act on
       their random speculation about some other aspect of my identity,
       just minus the squick and the annoyance about gender role
       nonsense. E.g., had he instead said something about "oh, since
       you're from Boston" or "you'll find this interesting, as a
       Capricorn" or "how long did you have to train to be an
       astronaut?" I would be taken aback. There is nothing insulting
       about being from Boston or a Capricorn or an astronaut, but
       having someone simply assume, with no reasonable evidence, that
       I was any of these things, to the point of just acting as if it
       were true rather than asking is weird and presumptuous and (IMO)
       creepy. But, of course, those examples probably sound
       ridiculous, right? Because people don't go around assuming
       people are astronauts with no evidence (not even if you're
       wearing a NASA shirt) but they do feel entitled to run with
       their assumptions on people's familial and romantic
       relationships, pregnancy status, etc.
       --- Quote from: Rose Red link ---
       >
       > People need to stop assuming people's relationship. Why can't
       they just ask how two people know each other?
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Exactly.
       BTW, my brother and I have also been assumed to be married a
       couple of times. But I didn't bring those up because it was
       always people who knew that we share an unusual surname, i.e.,
       strong evidence that we were related in some way, and in
       specific situations where there would be a relatively low
       likelihood of a pair of siblings happening to both be there
       versus a couple coming together. They had evidence for their
       assumption, it just happened to be misleading in that particular
       case. (It was also pretty hilarious, since in both cases we had
       reason to think they knew how we were related, so we were very
       surprised to be asked, e.g., how we met. Answer: "Uh...I was
       born, and he was already here? We're siblings."  ;D)
       --- Quote from: Gellchom link ---
       >
       > But it's not always a situation in which you would ask.  Like,
       "Excuse me, but your sister dropped this" or a clerk asking
       someone who had accompanied someone who is in the dressing room
       "Does your sister like green?"  It would be odd to begin by
       asking about their relationship.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Yes, but the reason it would be odd to ask about their
       relationship is because it's irrelevant. "Excuse me, but [your
       companion/the woman you're with] dropped this." "Does she like
       green?" (What other "she" would you be talking about other than
       the person in the dressing room?) "Friend" is also pretty
       generic and presumes little except that the people in question
       actually like each other on some level, even if they also happen
       to be related by blood and/or marriage.
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